Comments on: Texas children roped into Islamic training http://texasfred.net/archives/1236 No Holds Barred: News Opinion Commentary Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:16:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Teach Your Children Well , An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-2#comment-9822 Teach Your Children Well , An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:13:12 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9822 [...] learn about different cultures around the world without being shoved under a veil. Why are schools shoving this kind of stuff down our kids [...] [...] learn about different cultures around the world without being shoved under a veil. Why are schools shoving this kind of stuff down our kids [...]

]]> By: Kate http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-2#comment-9821 Kate Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:55:29 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9821 From the column:  <em><strong>“The failure of the principal of Friendswood Junior High to respect simple procedures requiring parental notification for such a potentially controversial subject, to not only approve but participate personally in a religious indoctrination session led by representatives of a group with well-known links to terrorist organizations and her cavalier response when confronted, raises serious questions about her fitness to serve in that role,” the pastors’ organization said.</strong></em> <em><strong>According to a parent, whose name was withheld, the children were given the Islamic indoctrination during time that was supposed to be used for a physical education class.</strong></em> Now where in those two paragraphs did it say anything about the school checking with the courts?  If the kids had balked, and refused to go along with this sort of indoctrination, the outcome might have been vastly different.  But since the schools have been pulling this type of crap a lot since 9/11, kids have been brainwashed into thinking this is ok, the school says so. You're like a dog with a bone, ignoring the steak that's in front of you.  "But but....they can't do that! The court said so!"  Well, does it seem like they are listening to those court rulings?  No, they aren't! From the column: 
“The failure of the principal of Friendswood Junior High to respect simple procedures requiring parental notification for such a potentially controversial subject, to not only approve but participate personally in a religious indoctrination session led by representatives of a group with well-known links to terrorist organizations and her cavalier response when confronted, raises serious questions about her fitness to serve in that role,” the pastors’ organization said.
According to a parent, whose name was withheld, the children were given the Islamic indoctrination during time that was supposed to be used for a physical education class.
Now where in those two paragraphs did it say anything about the school checking with the courts?  If the kids had balked, and refused to go along with this sort of indoctrination, the outcome might have been vastly different.  But since the schools have been pulling this type of crap a lot since 9/11, kids have been brainwashed into thinking this is ok, the school says so.
You’re like a dog with a bone, ignoring the steak that’s in front of you.  “But but….they can’t do that! The court said so!”  Well, does it seem like they are listening to those court rulings?  No, they aren’t!

]]> By: Katie http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-2#comment-9819 Katie Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:59:38 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9819 I'm not in La La Land.  And until you can get the 9 on the Court to change <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=472&invol=38" rel="nofollow">Wallace v. Jaffree</a> you will not be able to get organized prayer in the schools.  If you had read the court's decision it says:(b) One of the well-established criteria for determining the constitutionality of a statute under the Establishment Clause is that the statute must have a secular legislative purpose. Lemon v. Kurtzman, <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=403&invol=602#612" rel="nofollow">403 U.S. 602, 612 </a>-613. The First Amendment requires that a statute must be invalidated if it is entirely motivated by a purpose to advance religion. Pp. 55-56.   (c) The record here not only establishes that 16-1-20.1's purpose was to endorse religion, it also reveals that the enactment of the statute was not motivated by any clearly secular purpose. In particular, the statements of 16-1-20.1's sponsor in the legislative record and in his <a>[472 U.S. 38, 39] </a> testimony before the District Court indicate that the legislation was solely an "effort to return voluntary prayer" to the public schools. Moreover, such unrebutted evidence of legislative intent is confirmed by a consideration of the relationship between 16-1-20.1 and two other Alabama statutes - one of which, enacted in 1982 as a sequel to 16-1-20.1, authorized teachers to lead "willing students" in a prescribed prayer, and the other of which, enacted in 1978 as 16-1-20.1's predecessor, authorized a period of silence "for meditation" only. The State's endorsement, by enactment of 16-1-20.1, of prayer activities at the beginning of each schoolday is not consistent with the established principle that the government must pursue a course of complete neutrality toward religion. Pp. 56-61If you allow Christians to have organized prayer, then any group <strong>must</strong> be allowed to have organized prayer.  If you have a class about Christianity, then any group <strong>must</strong> be allowed to have classes about their faith.Thus now the pastors can insist on a Christian class being held in the school.It's not giving one group <strong>more</strong> rights, it giving every group the <strong>same </strong>rights.Thus prayer in school could be done if <strong>every</strong> religion had their say.To keep Muslims from preaching in our schools, the only <em><strong>LEGAL </strong></em>way is to keep every faith from preaching.  A shame really when you look at faiths like <a href="http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com/search/label/Baha%27i" title="Baha'i" rel="nofollow">Baha'i</a>, Christianity, and Judaism.  I'd love to see a class with members of all those faiths show up and teach about their beliefs.  But until you can find a way to exclude Muslims, you will have to do without it. I’m not in La La Land.  And until you can get the 9 on the Court to change Wallace v. Jaffree you will not be able to get organized prayer in the schools.  If you had read the court’s decision it says:(b) One of the well-established criteria for determining the constitutionality of a statute under the Establishment Clause is that the statute must have a secular legislative purpose. Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602, 612 -613. The First Amendment requires that a statute must be invalidated if it is entirely motivated by a purpose to advance religion. Pp. 55-56.

 

(c) The record here not only establishes that 16-1-20.1’s purpose was to endorse religion, it also reveals that the enactment of the statute was not motivated by any clearly secular purpose. In particular, the statements of 16-1-20.1’s sponsor in the legislative record and in his [472 U.S. 38, 39] testimony before the District Court indicate that the legislation was solely an “effort to return voluntary prayer” to the public schools. Moreover, such unrebutted evidence of legislative intent is confirmed by a consideration of the relationship between 16-1-20.1 and two other Alabama statutes – one of which, enacted in 1982 as a sequel to 16-1-20.1, authorized teachers to lead “willing students” in a prescribed prayer, and the other of which, enacted in 1978 as 16-1-20.1’s predecessor, authorized a period of silence “for meditation” only. The State’s endorsement, by enactment of 16-1-20.1, of prayer activities at the beginning of each schoolday is not consistent with the established principle that the government must pursue a course of complete neutrality toward religion. Pp. 56-61If you allow Christians to have organized prayer, then any group must be allowed to have organized prayer.  If you have a class about Christianity, then any group must be allowed to have classes about their faith.Thus now the pastors can insist on a Christian class being held in the school.It’s not giving one group more rights, it giving every group the same rights.Thus prayer in school could be done if every religion had their say.To keep Muslims from preaching in our schools, the only LEGAL way is to keep every faith from preaching.  A shame really when you look at faiths like Baha’i, Christianity, and Judaism.  I’d love to see a class with members of all those faiths show up and teach about their beliefs.  But until you can find a way to exclude Muslims, you will have to do without it.

]]> By: Kate http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-2#comment-9811 Kate Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:25:08 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9811 Is the view nice from la la land?  All the law suits in the world won't make a bit of difference if you have a public school system that continuously defies the findings.  This is what they are actually doing in the schools!  A law suit here, a law suit there, is all very nice.  It doesn't change a bloomin' thing.  You can "silence the prayers", yet they go on.....the MUSLIM prayers, that is, not Christian, or Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist.  MUSLIM!  Oh wait a minute, don't the Wiccans have more rights?There is a difference between what you would like, and what is actually going on. Is the view nice from la la land?  All the law suits in the world won’t make a bit of difference if you have a public school system that continuously defies the findings.  This is what they are actually doing in the schools!  A law suit here, a law suit there, is all very nice.  It doesn’t change a bloomin’ thing.  You can “silence the prayers”, yet they go on…..the MUSLIM prayers, that is, not Christian, or Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist.  MUSLIM!  Oh wait a minute, don’t the Wiccans have more rights?There is a difference between what you would like, and what is actually going on.

]]> By: TexasFred http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-2#comment-9809 TexasFred Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:33:29 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9809 <strong>OK, I am gonna throw my .02 in here and I don't give a damn who likes it or doesn't... <br /><br />Muslims and their moonbat cult can all go to hell, it's NOT about peace or freedom, it's about domination and that doesn't belong in our schools being taught to our children in a subliminal message, THAT is Islam, peace from their mouths and death from their weapons, f*ck em, f*ck em ALL...<br /><br />Jews and Christians don't preach domination, hate and death to all that refuse to accept them, not normal Jews and Christians, there's moonbats in every group of people and the Jews and Christians are no exception, maybe there are some that believe and teach as the Muslims do, I really don't know, MY issue is the Islamic assholes being allowed in OUR schools to begin with... <br /><br />I have NO problem with prayer in school, but NOT those of a murderous cult of hypocrites, liars and abusers that would dominate this entire world and kill any that refused to submit...<br /><br />Islam is a sickness and it must be stopped, and here's the deal, that's MY opinion, this is MY blog and anyone that doesn't like that opinion can kiss MY ass...</strong> OK, I am gonna throw my .02 in here and I don’t give a damn who likes it or doesn’t…

Muslims and their moonbat cult can all go to hell, it’s NOT about peace or freedom, it’s about domination and that doesn’t belong in our schools being taught to our children in a subliminal message, THAT is Islam, peace from their mouths and death from their weapons, f*ck em, f*ck em ALL…

Jews and Christians don’t preach domination, hate and death to all that refuse to accept them, not normal Jews and Christians, there’s moonbats in every group of people and the Jews and Christians are no exception, maybe there are some that believe and teach as the Muslims do, I really don’t know, MY issue is the Islamic assholes being allowed in OUR schools to begin with…

I have NO problem with prayer in school, but NOT those of a murderous cult of hypocrites, liars and abusers that would dominate this entire world and kill any that refused to submit…

Islam is a sickness and it must be stopped, and here’s the deal, that’s MY opinion, this is MY blog and anyone that doesn’t like that opinion can kiss MY ass…

]]> By: Katie http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-1#comment-9808 Katie Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:18:31 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9808 Did you read the court decision Kate.  It is clear.  Any religion in a school opens the school up to all religions.  If you have Christian prayers at the school, then Muslims can demand the same rights.  <strong>If there are no prayers, then you silence the Muslims</strong>.What the school did was in violation of the law, and a good lawsuit will teach that school district <strong>NEVER</strong> to invite Muslims to their school again.This isn't an issue on Prayer in the Schools, but whether the school can teach religion.  They can't and shouldn't.  That is the domain of the family and the church.For the record:  I read the article, the posting here, the post at Yid With Lid, the post at Jihad Watch and Posted at Monkey in the Middle. Did you read the court decision Kate.  It is clear.  Any religion in a school opens the school up to all religions.  If you have Christian prayers at the school, then Muslims can demand the same rights.  If there are no prayers, then you silence the Muslims.What the school did was in violation of the law, and a good lawsuit will teach that school district NEVER to invite Muslims to their school again.This isn’t an issue on Prayer in the Schools, but whether the school can teach religion.  They can’t and shouldn’t.  That is the domain of the family and the church.For the record:  I read the article, the posting here, the post at Yid With Lid, the post at Jihad Watch and Posted at Monkey in the Middle.

]]> By: HOT Saturday Afternoon Laundry Time , An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-1#comment-9805 HOT Saturday Afternoon Laundry Time , An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings Sat, 31 May 2008 21:05:27 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9805 [...] Texas children roped into Islamic training - Texas Fred’s [...] [...] Texas children roped into Islamic training – Texas Fred’s [...]

]]> By: Kate http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-1#comment-9804 Kate Sat, 31 May 2008 19:47:30 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9804 Jiminy Crickets woman, did you actually READ the column, AND the post?  The Muslims are DEMANDING freedom of THEIR religion, and it's being sold in the public schools like cotton candy at the carnival.  Let a group of Christian teens ask to say a pray near the flag pole NOT on school time, and all hell brakes lose! Jiminy Crickets woman, did you actually READ the column, AND the post?  The Muslims are DEMANDING freedom of THEIR religion, and it’s being sold in the public schools like cotton candy at the carnival.  Let a group of Christian teens ask to say a pray near the flag pole NOT on school time, and all hell brakes lose!

]]> By: Katie http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-1#comment-9803 Katie Sat, 31 May 2008 19:36:26 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9803 The thing about allowing organized prayer in the schools is this:If you allow Christians to have prayer openly, then the Muslims can demand the right to have prayers on Fridays.  To keep the Muslims out, you have to keep everyone out.  Otherwise they (the Muslims) will scream in the courts that you have established a religion.  And the court would side with them.What CAIR and the school did was against the Law.  And they should be penalized for it.  The Supreme Court case is <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=472&invol=38" rel="nofollow">Wallace v. Jaffree</a>In which the Supreme Court wrote:The First Amendment requires that a statute must be invalidated if it is entirely motivated by a purpose to advance religion.Thus in allowing CAIR to do this assembly, the school was advancing a religion. The thing about allowing organized prayer in the schools is this:If you allow Christians to have prayer openly, then the Muslims can demand the right to have prayers on Fridays.  To keep the Muslims out, you have to keep everyone out.  Otherwise they (the Muslims) will scream in the courts that you have established a religion.  And the court would side with them.What CAIR and the school did was against the Law.  And they should be penalized for it.  The Supreme Court case is Wallace v. JaffreeIn which the Supreme Court wrote:The First Amendment requires that a statute must be invalidated if it is entirely motivated by a purpose to advance religion.Thus in allowing CAIR to do this assembly, the school was advancing a religion.

]]> By: Kate http://texasfred.net/archives/1236/comment-page-1#comment-9802 Kate Sat, 31 May 2008 17:23:32 +0000 http://texasfred.net/?p=1236#comment-9802 Then, I'll go back to my original comment:  Scrap the whole thing!  I have no problem with the kids being taught about religions of the world.  I have a MAJOR problem with the PC crowd shoving one down their throats.  And that's exactly what is going on in public schools around the country.  Can't offend anyone.....but the Christians! Then, I’ll go back to my original comment:  Scrap the whole thing!  I have no problem with the kids being taught about religions of the world.  I have a MAJOR problem with the PC crowd shoving one down their throats.  And that’s exactly what is going on in public schools around the country.  Can’t offend anyone…..but the Christians!

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