Comments on: Colleges confront shootings with survival training

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:22:45 +0000

IF I had kids in COLLEGE, and I knew that some teachers carried firearms. I Would tell my kids they better behave.

I think this is a good start, but I honestly believe the “Survival class” is a way to make mom and dad feel better more than it is about actual skills and training.
IF this training goes on long enough to develop the mind, and body then it will be a valuable class.

I also think that class should be screened very carefully, it should not be OPENED it should be selective.

After VT, I thought “What student group would most exhibit the professionalism, maturity, and ability to handle a firearm” and which group would be able to best use them in defense of those not able? I thought the ROTC…

Just a thought.

By: nannykaren

nannykaren — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:07:24 +0000

Fred you are right, about all of it .
When our young people see death is real, see their friends killed right before their eyes, then and only then do they realize that it is over for that person.

That is hard for the mind to grasp my any age.

When a young soldier see’s his buddy blown up in a vehicle, by IED’s, then has to put his buddys body in a bag…the horror of it all…
Or when the enemy is killed and then the you soldier has load rhe mangled body on the hood, like a deer…then the horror sets in…then PTSD sets in.

PTSD sets in for students who survive situations such as virgiania Tech too.
Yes they all need intensive training…

By: cary - Botan Ichihara

cary - Botan Ichihara — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:48:48 +0000

Right Truth has a good point, and I never thought to ask – what’s the reload cycle time for a laptop?

By: Right Truth

Right Truth — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:45:16 +0000

Choice of weapon: laptop vs gun. I choose gun every time.

By: BobF

BobF — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:48:35 +0000

Speaking of Gangbangers in schools. I’ve never heard of a nut-job going into an inner city school and shooting it up. When these sickos decide to shoot up a school, McDonalds, shopping center, park, etc, it’s always filled with suburbanites.

By: cary - Botan Ichihara

cary - Botan Ichihara — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:44 +0000

texasgunnut expressed my thoughts quite eloquently.

The largest obstacle (but it can be overcome) is the namby-pamby “You’re OK, I’m OK” mindset that has been drilled into heads of impressionable young people since the mid 60s.

Once you get past the fact that the ones giving the training are fighting their own ingrained responses, then the program has a fighting chance.

Longstreet is also correct, in that the individual either has it in him or not. That goes back to our earliest ancestors – either they fought, or they didn’t. Now, we don’t face the daily dangers that hone the instinct of fight or flight to the edge needed for true life-or-death situations, and society is losing members because of it.

The really sad part is that a training of this type is even necessary.

Now, for my evil twin’s thoughts:

These people keep coming in here and messing with the natural order of things. Mandating seatbelts, saving lives of idiots. Mandating all-red time at intersections, saving lives of idiots. Warning labels on the most mundane of items with the most obvious warning (Caution! Fresh brewed coffee is hot!), saving lives of idiots. With more and more idiots living beyond their intended or probable lifespans, they are breeding – you guessed it! – more and more idiots.

By: yidwithlid

yidwithlid — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:35:47 +0000

As someone who would never own a gun himself (but believes that my gun beliefs should not be imposed on others) :

I would rather have someone TRAINED to know how and WHEN to use their wepon for protection, then be a nut job going off half-cocked

(no pun intended, but it DOES fit).

By: Longstreet

Longstreet — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:57:47 +0000

We have sheltered our kids for the past two generations until they do not know how to respond to danger… short of falling to the ground and assuming the fetal position! It should not be necessary for schools, any schools, to “train” young men and women how to protect themselves, and those around him or her. It should come as, well, instinct… honed by parental training. . And the instinct for self-preservation IS there… but we have buried it under load upon load of limp-wristed “Conflict Resolution” mumbo jumbo. You can’t have it both ways. Either a human being is ready to do whatever is necessary to protect himself, and his associates and loved ones, or he will be putting his life on the line every time he ventures into public…period

By: rgroland

rgroland — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:06:29 +0000

I think the training is an outstanding idea. You are right on TF, kids today have been exposed to a wide variety of violence through video games, TV and movies. If this training could stop one lunatic then it would be well forth it. I do believe kids today are very lazy, but it is not their faults as we have allowed them to grow up in a soft world of internet, games and cell phones. Young people are basically the same as when I was young, they just need good guidance to help them out. Nothing wrong with some good training !!

By: texasgunnut

texasgunnut — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:37:20 +0000

There was a time in this nation wherein people were expected to be self reliant, instead of now, ever dependent on mother government to save them from the rigors and toils of life.

I am all for instructing and teaching the youth of America how to be survivalists and defenders of kith and kin once again. The problem lies in that we have generally allowed our society to teach our children that violence of any kind is evil and is not allowable, no matter the reason behind it. Many have given up on the ways of proper child rearing that would ensure mature and responsible adults, capable of taking on any obstacle in front of them, ranging from fighting the tyranny of evil men to paying their bills on time.
Am I the only one who has noticed all the *$%# warning labels on most anything anymore? This comes from a sub-society of people who weren’t expected to think and therefore could hurt themselves with just about anything. Why is that?

How do we undo the last 30-40 years of teaching our youth that it’s okay to bow down in compliance to evil, that they should no longer subject themselves to such acts of ninny cowardice?
How do we instill the mindset of individual freedom, of liberty, of self reliance, the hatred of evil and love of country, once again? Because those things are paramount to being a nation of defenders again, instead of a growing sea of servants and sheep.

Perhaps through propagating the defensive mindset through our college youth, we can begin to plant these seeds of what is good and just once again. From there, we can only hope that the chain of defenselessness will be broken, that these newly instructed youth will pass the message on to their children, and to their children’s children, that sometimes good men and women fight and die not because they are evil, but because they are the defenders of what is good and just. Perhaps they will realize that some resort to violence, not in order to rule over other men, but to prevent the whole of the People from being ruled.

Sign me up, I’ll bring my own ammo.
TGN