Comments on: Gates: Review military’s role in homeland defense

By: StormWarning

StormWarning — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:08:54 +0000

@ Patrick Sperry – No, incident command would not be useless. Why do you ask and what’s on your mind? I actually believe that suspension, or at worst reinterpretation, of posse comitatus is in order.

By: Patrick Sperry

Patrick Sperry — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:21:09 +0000

So Storm, would incident command be useless in your scenario?

By: StormWarning

StormWarning — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:05:55 +0000

I don’t think that Gates’ comments about a Homeland Defense role for the military is connected to Obama’s Civilian NS BS. Instead, it is a realization that in the event of a mass casualty event or natural disaster, there is a severe shortage of manpower. There is a real difference separated by a fine line between Homeland Security (DHS) and Homeland Defense.

This was raised in 2005: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2005/d20050630homeland.pdf

That the Guard and Reserves aren’t equipped to do the job is less the question, than whether, given posse comitatus, active military can play a domestic role during an event. To some people, posse comitatus is anachronistic. This article discusses it (and was written before the attacks on Sept. 11th):
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

By: Basti

Basti — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:16:32 +0000

Just read the history of the rise of Adolf Hitler, the SA and then the SS and you’ll see ‘The Messiah’ has been doing some reading on his own.

IMO, the US missed by a whisker a real civil war in the late 60′s. It remains to be seen if we miss this on or not.

By: Patrick Sperry

Patrick Sperry — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:10:22 +0000

I think what may be needed is a bit of reading between the lines. I reported about this almost immediately as I still lived near where he made this plan public, and I had access to a live feed. Gunny Bob was right on my heels, and yes. Fred picked right up on it as well.
Here’s the thing though. He (Obama et al) are defining a new mission, and will therefore need a new force to implement said mission. A force that will not be subject to Posse Comitatus restrictions. A personal force that, as noted above, will be funded etc. as well as the military. Pardon me while I put on that tin foil hat that I sometimes need to wear in order to think out of the box… There, a bit more over that direction… Good, better reception with that part angled a bit more left…

The National Guard, not being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act, and filled with citizen soldiers would need to be neutered as a fighting force for the Obamanites to be able to succeed. How to do this? Look up at what Fred posted. That’s one way that this could be accomplished.

Along with similar methodologies the thinking public must be muzzled. Hence things such as free speech being caste as dangerous. So the Internet will be subjected to monitoring and content controls. There will be political posturing about things like this. Such as using terms such as “Law abiding citizens” regarding gun control blog posting and so on.

They will just change the law so that Fred, myself, and so many others will no longer be “Law abiding citizens.” Plus, with the advent of the Lautenberg Acts ex post facto law, and less than felony violations can, and will be used as cover to justify the taking of rights from people and already have precedent to do so.

Think about it; as reported elsewhere, there are places that are taking Second Amendment Rights from people based upon unpaid traffic tickets, and they are basing it upon the Lautenberg Domestic violence statutes.

So then; take the teeth from citizen soldiers, muzzle free speech, disarm the resistance, empower a personal paramilitary force, and do it all under the guise of being the law, and constitutional.

How to take over a nation 101.

Removes the tin hat and waits for responses…

By: Bloviating Zeppelin

Bloviating Zeppelin — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:17:21 +0000

In my opinion, Fred, that’s Obama’s point anyway; why else would he want a “civilian” force “every bit as well equipped” as the military? More troops, more tanks, more guns, more ships (for Christ’s sake, we’re a pittant 280-ship NAVY now, where ONCE we were slightly over 500 ships!) mean that those appropriations would have had to be APPROVED by Congress — and guess who fought againts those points?

By: BobF

BobF — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:27:15 +0000

Is this just the beginning?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/56233.html

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama’s 3 million campaign volunteers got re-enlistment notices this week.
Campaign manager David Plouffe, in a mass e-mail sent Wednesday to former workers, asked how much time they can spare for four missions integral to Obama’s effort to transform his victory into a broader political movement.

The one thing we learn from history is that it repeats itself.