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		<title>By: Malagent</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator>Malagent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my LE career I&#039;ve had a few suspects bring up an entrapment defense, mostly in drug cases were we had video of suspects selling drugs to other suspects. It never worked (except the lawyers getting paid). They all went to jail.

Aside from the fact that the law will vary (potentially) widely, As Carl stated above (in a few more words), entrapment is the inducement by police, of a person to commit a crime that the person otherwise would not have committed.

Almost all criminal offenses require intent, if the intent is formed by the police then the suspect has a defense.

Outside of the movies, in the real world, entrapment is not a common occurrence. If for no other reason than in most jurisdictions police officers that get cases thrown out for such things don&#039;t get to do their jobs for long. Most cops are smart enough to effect an arrest without having to induce the suspect to commit the crime. In my experience there is no shortage of willing criminals.

Although I don&#039;t know the facts of this particular case it&#039;s hard to imagine a &quot;loud zipper sound&quot; being evidence. I&#039;m sure the police have established some basis for that though. I still don&#039;t know one would even do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my LE career I&#8217;ve had a few suspects bring up an entrapment defense, mostly in drug cases were we had video of suspects selling drugs to other suspects. It never worked (except the lawyers getting paid). They all went to jail.</p>
<p>Aside from the fact that the law will vary (potentially) widely, As Carl stated above (in a few more words), entrapment is the inducement by police, of a person to commit a crime that the person otherwise would not have committed.</p>
<p>Almost all criminal offenses require intent, if the intent is formed by the police then the suspect has a defense.</p>
<p>Outside of the movies, in the real world, entrapment is not a common occurrence. If for no other reason than in most jurisdictions police officers that get cases thrown out for such things don&#8217;t get to do their jobs for long. Most cops are smart enough to effect an arrest without having to induce the suspect to commit the crime. In my experience there is no shortage of willing criminals.</p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t know the facts of this particular case it&#8217;s hard to imagine a &#8220;loud zipper sound&#8221; being evidence. I&#8217;m sure the police have established some basis for that though. I still don&#8217;t know one would even do that.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4434</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Carl Says:
November 4th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
So Basti, by the established legal definition, what occurred at the Florida mall most likely cannot be found to fall under the legal definition of entrapment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Carl, you don&#039;t KNOW Basti, he is NEVER wrong, even when he is, and in this case, he is VERY wrong, he has NO knowledge of the law apparently and has let his ignorance and hard head dictate the responses seen in this thread...

I have overlooked several things similar to this in the past, simply because I felt like Basti was one hell of a good guy overallÂ and I considered him to be an online friend, but he will NEVER admit to being wrong, about ANY THING, no matter what it is, no matter how insignificant or important it may be, he is NEVER wrong in &lt;em&gt;HIS&lt;/em&gt; opinion...

Well, I will say this, and I don&#039;t give a DAMN who it offends, ANYONE that sides with the pedos and pervs is MY enemy, just as much as the pedos and pervs are my enemy, and that bullshit about entrapment is siding &lt;em&gt;WITH&lt;/em&gt; the sorry bastards and only makesÂ the person doing itÂ asÂ scummy as the pervs themselves...

But, when you&#039;re dealing with a mentality that thinks red light cameras are an invasion of privacy, well, you get the picture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Carl Says:<br />
November 4th, 2007 at 9:25 pm<br />
So Basti, by the established legal definition, what occurred at the Florida mall most likely cannot be found to fall under the legal definition of entrapment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Carl, you don&#8217;t KNOW Basti, he is NEVER wrong, even when he is, and in this case, he is VERY wrong, he has NO knowledge of the law apparently and has let his ignorance and hard head dictate the responses seen in this thread&#8230;</p>
<p>I have overlooked several things similar to this in the past, simply because I felt like Basti was one hell of a good guy overallÂ and I considered him to be an online friend, but he will NEVER admit to being wrong, about ANY THING, no matter what it is, no matter how insignificant or important it may be, he is NEVER wrong in <em>HIS</em> opinion&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, I will say this, and I don&#8217;t give a DAMN who it offends, ANYONE that sides with the pedos and pervs is MY enemy, just as much as the pedos and pervs are my enemy, and that bullshit about entrapment is siding <em>WITH</em> the sorry bastards and only makesÂ the person doing itÂ asÂ scummy as the pervs themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>But, when you&#8217;re dealing with a mentality that thinks red light cameras are an invasion of privacy, well, you get the picture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4430</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Basti: the legal definition and explanation of entrapment courtesy of http://www.lectlaw.com/

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ENTRAPMENT - A person is &#039;entrapped&#039; when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.

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From http://dictionary.law.com/

entrapment
n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the &quot;criminal.&quot; Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called &quot;stings&quot; in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes&#039; services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?

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So Basti, by the established legal definition, what occurred at the Florida mall most likely cannot be found to fall under the legal definition of entrapment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Basti: the legal definition and explanation of entrapment courtesy of <a href="http://www.lectlaw.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lectlaw.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>ENTRAPMENT &#8211; A person is &#8216;entrapped&#8217; when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.</p>
<p>However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.</p>
<p>In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:</p>
<p>- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.</p>
<p>- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.</p>
<p>- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.</p>
<p>On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>From <a href="http://dictionary.law.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.law.com/</a></p>
<p>entrapment<br />
n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the &#8220;criminal.&#8221; Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called &#8220;stings&#8221; in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes&#8217; services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>So Basti, by the established legal definition, what occurred at the Florida mall most likely cannot be found to fall under the legal definition of entrapment.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4429</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you start complaining about entrapment Basti, you need to actually research not only the legal definition but also legal precedent. Judging by your statements thus far, you seem to think it means something other than it actually is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you start complaining about entrapment Basti, you need to actually research not only the legal definition but also legal precedent. Judging by your statements thus far, you seem to think it means something other than it actually is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bull</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4415</link>
		<dc:creator>Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll double that comment about Basti with you Fred! What the hell???

Point #1: Anyone, ANY ONE, trolling in a public restroom - or someone willing to do the nasty in a public restroom - is one sick puppy.

Point #2: Should said sick puppy swing his exposed Johnson towards me or mine, then he will quickly find himself chasing it across the floor! I promise that the blade is both quick and sharp!

&lt;b&gt;The Bull&lt;/b&gt; can&#039;t stand a pervert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll double that comment about Basti with you Fred! What the hell???</p>
<p>Point #1: Anyone, ANY ONE, trolling in a public restroom &#8211; or someone willing to do the nasty in a public restroom &#8211; is one sick puppy.</p>
<p>Point #2: Should said sick puppy swing his exposed Johnson towards me or mine, then he will quickly find himself chasing it across the floor! I promise that the blade is both quick and sharp!</p>
<p><b>The Bull</b> can&#8217;t stand a pervert!</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4412</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Basti, I never, &lt;em&gt;EVER&lt;/em&gt;, thought I&#039;d say this but THAT is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard, and coming from YOU it makes itÂ even worse...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Basti, I never, <em>EVER</em>, thought I&#8217;d say this but THAT is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard, and coming from YOU it makes itÂ even worse&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bloviating Zeppelin</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4410</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloviating Zeppelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s only one reason cops would be in a filth-ridden public bathroom, and that&#039;s if they&#039;d had many complaints.  No one, and I mean NO one WANTS to spend time doing anything like this, at least on my department.  

BZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only one reason cops would be in a filth-ridden public bathroom, and that&#8217;s if they&#8217;d had many complaints.  No one, and I mean NO one WANTS to spend time doing anything like this, at least on my department.  </p>
<p>BZ</p>
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		<title>By: Basti</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4407</link>
		<dc:creator>Basti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still say its entrapment and I&#039;m sticking by that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still say its entrapment and I&#8217;m sticking by that.</p>
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		<title>By: gunz</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4405</link>
		<dc:creator>gunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO, hey I was 14 at the time, when I got curious and dialed my first and last ever number written above the urinal. Why yes it was...

Had braces too: A black and decker pecker wrecker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, hey I was 14 at the time, when I got curious and dialed my first and last ever number written above the urinal. Why yes it was&#8230;</p>
<p>Had braces too: A black and decker pecker wrecker?</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/689/comment-page-1#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Gunz... Was it a &#039;nappy headed ho&#039;?? :?</description>
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