Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911
(CBS) The 911 call came from a Pasadena, Tex., resident, who alerted police to two burglary suspects on a neighbor’s property. Before he hung up, two men were dead by his hand.
Joe Horn, 61, told the dispatcher what he intended to do: Walk out his front door with a shotgun.
“I’ve got a shotgun,” Horn said, according to a tape of the 911 call. “Do you want me to stop them?”
“Nope, don’t do that – ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?” the dispatcher responded.
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Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911
The Castle Doctrine does NOT cover your neighbors home, this man was told, repeatedly, DO NOT go out there, DO NOT confront these individuals, DO NOT shoot anyone.
His life and property were NOT in danger, he told the 9-1-1 dispatcher, repeatedly, “I’m gonna shoot them”, IF he doesn’t get charged with premeditated murder I will be totally surprised, he inserted himself into a situation that he wasn’t trained for, had no business becoming involved in and then he handled it badly.
Here in Texas you DO have the right to use deadly force in the confines of your home and property and he supposedly shot them in HIS yard, but extenuating circumstances will, and likely should place him at fault, they were NO threat to him until HE placed himself in danger.
The man was a FOOL and it’s people like him that give the left and the gun grabbers all they need to repeal the Castle Doctrine, he is a prime example of it.s misinterpretation and misuse.
And a big Hat Tip to Dread Pundit Bluto and American and Proud, I got this story from them and wanted to share it with MY readers as well…
You are correct insofar as a person like that makes all gun owners appear as deadly buffoons — which is not to say he wasn’t.
BZ
He had no business going out there as the cops were on the way and nobody’s life was in danger.
There are some really stupid gun owners making it hard on the rest of us.
Here is another stupid person.
At the very least I would’ve held them at gun point until the police arrived. Who knows what happened? Maybe the crooks approached the guy while he was on the front lawn? Who’s to know… Fact remains…two less petty criminals in the world now. I’ll make sure and shed some tears tonight in their honor.
At the very least he could have kept his stupid ass in the house and done what he was told…
Maybe doesn’t get it in this case, the man BROKE THE LAW himself and he has committed murder, what part of that isn’t sinking in to the stupid heads here??
He had NO RIGHT, legal, moral or otherwise, to insert himself into this situation, the police were called, they were on the way and HE repeatedly threatened to go out there and KILL these people, criminals, yes they were, burglars, you betcha, but unless they presents an immediate threat to HIM, in HIS house, HE was wrong…
Fact remains, 2 less petty criminals are dead, yep, and I don’t argue that as being a BAD thing but this guy was a FOOL for doing what he did and it’s a damn wonder he’s alive today…
Personally, I AM glad the bad guys are dead, but I hope they make an example of this dumb son of a bitch that killed em too, he has HURT the RKBA and the Castle Doctrine by HIS ignorant actions and failure to obey DIRECT orders from the police…
Valid points all, TexasFred. I can definitely see how his actions will hurt the Castle Doctrine. Perhaps I am more on the territorial side, but if I see criminals breaking into a house on my neighborhood, I can’t help but take it a bit personally and want to take action. Perhaps now maybe criminals will think twice about breaking into an empty home lest they get gunned down by the neighborhood watch?
I feel he was within his rights to confront the criminals at gun point and hold them until the police arrived. If he was attacked and defended himself with the shotgun, I also feel his is within his rights. Maybe you’re right, and it was not the smartest of ideas to run outside with a shotgun and an itchy trigger finger… But there is also an element in this situation of feeling like a prisoner in your own home. Impotently standing by while your neighbors are robbed waiting for the police to hopefully show up in time…well…let’s just say not all people are willing to do the “right thing” and wait for Johnny Law. Maybe the guy over-reacted…but meh, I’m glad they’re dead. I hope he walks.
Just my two…
He was NOT within his rights, in any way, shape, form or fashion, he was sticking his nose into POLICE business, HE placed himself in danger and MADE himself a part of the problem, not the solution…
Not only did he NOT have a RIGHT, he has broken the law, for him to have ANY valid defense he will have to prove that his life was in danger, and since it is well documented that HE inserted himself into this situation, against the advice and then ORDERS of the Pasadena Police Dept., he was WRONG and there is nothing that ANYONE can do to spin it otherwise, HE broke the law, he disobeyed direct orders, he stated “I am going to KILL them” and he has screwed up on a very high level…
He was NOT a prisoner in his own home, he was observing a crime in progress and he was providing the PPD with much needed and vital information, THAT was ALL he needed to do…
Now make no mistake, if a burglar breaks into MY home and I am here, his ass is grass and I have the mower(s), trust me, I would have NO issue with taking the SOB out of this world but if he’s breaking in to and then fleeing from my neighbors home, I am going to watch, observe, call 9-1-1, provide them with a very accurate description of the perpetrators, their armaments if possible, their vehicle description if possible and their direction of travel, but unless they try to come into MY house, THAT is exactly where my responsibility as a private citizen ends, I have NO authority to involve myself in this in ANY way past that point, unless I am in direct observation of someones life being in danger as a direct result of the actions OF these perps, and then, IF I am a concerned citizen I can and WILL involve myself in the altercation, but other than that, it’s a matter of simple burglary, a felony, yes it is, but it’s a police matter and a matter to be handled by ACTIVE and SWORN officers, professionals that are trained in these matters, and not by some hot head jackass with a shotgun and a desire to KILL someone…
I hope they hang the bastard…
I dunno, Fred. Seems like he was a pretty big part of the solution. Looks like the problem was solved all over the lawn.
Legally, you are probably right, and I’m sure he will be convicted. I still think the sob’s got what they deserved.
I agree, fully..
But regarding the legality of it all, I am looking into it as I write this, I am very sure that the legality I am speaking of is accurate…
From The Houston Chron:
Shootings of 2 may test defense law (w/911 call)
Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect their own property to stop an arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night, or to prevent someone committing such a crime at night from escaping with the property.
But the person using deadly force must believe there is no other way to protect their belongings and must suspect that taking less drastic measures could expose themselves or others to serious danger.