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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is one more for you folks, one of the guys in Taser Certification with NP213...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;VideoID=11375728&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Man of Steel gets Tased and screams like a bitch!!! From NP213&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one more for you folks, one of the guys in Taser Certification with NP213&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;VideoID=11375728" rel="nofollow"><b>Man of Steel gets Tased and screams like a bitch!!! From NP213</b></a></p>
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		<title>By: NP213</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/773/comment-page-1#comment-4952</link>
		<dc:creator>NP213</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here again, we look at the use of tasers. Tasers DO hurt. I have the video link if anyone would like to see me getting certified with the taser. It was the most painful 5 seconds of my life! But, it was 5 seconds.

If I had a choice, I would much rather be tased than pepper sprayed. The effects of pepper spray last for hours, even after the proper decontamination steps have been taken.

The taser, as I said, is 5 seconds. Granted, during those 5 seconds, it feels like you are surrounded by 1 million people hitting you with hammers over every square inch of your body at the same time, but when it&#039;s over, it&#039;s over.

If I tase a suspect, and he is still non-compliant after the first ride, you bet your ass he will be tased again. I am not that big a guy. I&#039;m 5&#039;9&quot; and 200 pounds. This is average some might say, but when you&#039;re having to arrest a 6&#039;4&quot;, 350 poundÂ coke head, like this bastard that we have in my jurisdiction, sometimes a taser is the only way.

Also, there have been times where tasers have allowed a way for a person who needs help to keep living, instead of being killed by an officer.

One of my fellow deputies, a bike patrol officer, had a suspect threatening to kill herself and wielding a knife. Every time someone would get close to her to try to disarm her, she would attempt to slash them. Through the use of the taser, 1) she was not shot and killed, 2) we were able to disarm her without any officers getting cut or sliced, and 3) she was able to be committed and have her mental health evaluated versus being transported by the meat wagon.

People can go on and on about the use of tasers, but, IMO, they need to shut the hell up. Tasers are a safe, effective way of taking a violent suspect into custody.

Oh, another instance for you. There was this one time when I was in a foot pursuit that had lasted about 8 or so minutes. When I finally circled around the suspect, I drew my Springfield XD-40 and commanded him to get on the ground. Do you think he complied? No. He looked at me and literally said, &quot;What the fuck are you gonna do? Shoot me?&quot; I looked at him and said &quot;Nope&quot;. I then drew my Taser X26 and fired. One prong stuck him in the abdomen, and the other one in his chest. He hit the ground and I dropped the taser. During the 5 seconds, I was able to cuff him, and give my back-up an exact location as to where I was. (I was in a sugar cane field just north of US HWY 90 in Jeanerette, La.)

I believe that, as an officer, I should use as little force as NECESSARY to effect an arrest. If that means that I can talk the suspect into turning around, then I will do so. If that doesn&#039;t work, then I will escalate my use of force as the situation dictates.

Just FYI, do you know that in most &lt;em&gt;use of force scales&lt;/em&gt;, the taser falls below the expandable baton, or &quot;night stick&quot;?

This is because it is easier to deliver a lethal blow with a baton than it is with a taser.

There have been some reports of people who have pace-makers and things like that being fatally struck with a taser. In my opinion, if the bastard has a pace-maker, he oughta know better.

I could ramble on about this for days, because I am a true believer in the use of the taser. I will let your comments dictate my response.

Here is the link where you can see me being tased at the St. Martin Parish Sheriff&#039;s Office Training Academy.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;VideoID=11375366&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Me and The X26 Taser...it sucked. by NP213&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here again, we look at the use of tasers. Tasers DO hurt. I have the video link if anyone would like to see me getting certified with the taser. It was the most painful 5 seconds of my life! But, it was 5 seconds.</p>
<p>If I had a choice, I would much rather be tased than pepper sprayed. The effects of pepper spray last for hours, even after the proper decontamination steps have been taken.</p>
<p>The taser, as I said, is 5 seconds. Granted, during those 5 seconds, it feels like you are surrounded by 1 million people hitting you with hammers over every square inch of your body at the same time, but when it&#8217;s over, it&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>If I tase a suspect, and he is still non-compliant after the first ride, you bet your ass he will be tased again. I am not that big a guy. I&#8217;m 5&#8242;9&#8243; and 200 pounds. This is average some might say, but when you&#8217;re having to arrest a 6&#8242;4&#8243;, 350 poundÂ coke head, like this bastard that we have in my jurisdiction, sometimes a taser is the only way.</p>
<p>Also, there have been times where tasers have allowed a way for a person who needs help to keep living, instead of being killed by an officer.</p>
<p>One of my fellow deputies, a bike patrol officer, had a suspect threatening to kill herself and wielding a knife. Every time someone would get close to her to try to disarm her, she would attempt to slash them. Through the use of the taser, 1) she was not shot and killed, 2) we were able to disarm her without any officers getting cut or sliced, and 3) she was able to be committed and have her mental health evaluated versus being transported by the meat wagon.</p>
<p>People can go on and on about the use of tasers, but, IMO, they need to shut the hell up. Tasers are a safe, effective way of taking a violent suspect into custody.</p>
<p>Oh, another instance for you. There was this one time when I was in a foot pursuit that had lasted about 8 or so minutes. When I finally circled around the suspect, I drew my Springfield XD-40 and commanded him to get on the ground. Do you think he complied? No. He looked at me and literally said, &#8220;What the fuck are you gonna do? Shoot me?&#8221; I looked at him and said &#8220;Nope&#8221;. I then drew my Taser X26 and fired. One prong stuck him in the abdomen, and the other one in his chest. He hit the ground and I dropped the taser. During the 5 seconds, I was able to cuff him, and give my back-up an exact location as to where I was. (I was in a sugar cane field just north of US HWY 90 in Jeanerette, La.)</p>
<p>I believe that, as an officer, I should use as little force as NECESSARY to effect an arrest. If that means that I can talk the suspect into turning around, then I will do so. If that doesn&#8217;t work, then I will escalate my use of force as the situation dictates.</p>
<p>Just FYI, do you know that in most <em>use of force scales</em>, the taser falls below the expandable baton, or &#8220;night stick&#8221;?</p>
<p>This is because it is easier to deliver a lethal blow with a baton than it is with a taser.</p>
<p>There have been some reports of people who have pace-makers and things like that being fatally struck with a taser. In my opinion, if the bastard has a pace-maker, he oughta know better.</p>
<p>I could ramble on about this for days, because I am a true believer in the use of the taser. I will let your comments dictate my response.</p>
<p>Here is the link where you can see me being tased at the St. Martin Parish Sheriff&#8217;s Office Training Academy.</p>
<p><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&#038;VideoID=11375366" rel="nofollow"><strong>Me and The X26 Taser&#8230;it sucked. by NP213</strong></a></p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/773/comment-page-1#comment-4951</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bloviating Zeppelin Says: 
November 25th, 2007 at 9:38 pm 
TAKE the stupid Taser! It certainly makes MY life easier.

BZ&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yep, but it&#039;s gonna be a bitch for ANY SOB that resists... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bloviating Zeppelin Says:<br />
November 25th, 2007 at 9:38 pm<br />
TAKE the stupid Taser! It certainly makes MY life easier.</p>
<p>BZ</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, but it&#8217;s gonna be a bitch for ANY SOB that resists&#8230; <img src='http://texasfred.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bloviating Zeppelin</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/773/comment-page-1#comment-4949</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloviating Zeppelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas Fred: ah hell, take away the Taser, I think that&#039;s GREAT!!  That&#039;s one LESS thing I have to think about using from my belt, and I can jump from the baton DIRECTLY to my handgun without having to worry about what&#039;s in between on the force continuum.  I say: you bet.  TAKE the stupid Taser!  It certainly makes MY life easier.

BZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas Fred: ah hell, take away the Taser, I think that&#8217;s GREAT!!  That&#8217;s one LESS thing I have to think about using from my belt, and I can jump from the baton DIRECTLY to my handgun without having to worry about what&#8217;s in between on the force continuum.  I say: you bet.  TAKE the stupid Taser!  It certainly makes MY life easier.</p>
<p>BZ</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/773/comment-page-1#comment-4946</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interest of &#039;Fair and Balanced&#039; blogging:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312753,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Third Taser Stun Gun Victim Dies in Past Three Weeks in Canada&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

VANCOUVER, British Columbia â€” A Canadian man died Saturday, four days after police used a Taser stun-gun on him because he reportedly was acting erratically in a store, police said. He was the third person to die in recent weeks in Canada after being shocked by the hand-held weapon.

Robert Knipstrom, 36, died in a hospital after two officers used pepper spray, a Taser and their batons to subdue the British Columbia resident. Police earlier said Knipstrom was extremely agitated, aggressive and combative with the two officers who responded. He was conscious and speaking when he was taken to the hospital.

The cause of death has yet to be determined. Although a Taser was used against Knipstrom, it was not immediately clear what role, if any, it played in his death, said Inspector Brendan Fitzpatrick.

Investigations into Knipstrom&#039;s death have been launched separately by the British Columbia Coroner&#039;s Office and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, police said at a news conference Saturday.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He was pepper sprayed, he was struck with a baton, he was tased, and until there is an autopsy done NO ONE can state that this guy died because he was tased...

Who knows what other circumstances were involved, or hidden health problems, drugs, booze, who knows??

Here&#039;s the facts, if you mess up badlyÂ enough to get tased, you have a 99.9% chance of surviving to be a fool another day, take the taser away and leave the officers with the option of beating your ass or shooting you, well, only a moron would miss the point I am trying to make, let&#039;s see how many morons we have reading here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of &#8216;Fair and Balanced&#8217; blogging:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312753,00.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Third Taser Stun Gun Victim Dies in Past Three Weeks in Canada</strong></a></p>
<p>VANCOUVER, British Columbia â€” A Canadian man died Saturday, four days after police used a Taser stun-gun on him because he reportedly was acting erratically in a store, police said. He was the third person to die in recent weeks in Canada after being shocked by the hand-held weapon.</p>
<p>Robert Knipstrom, 36, died in a hospital after two officers used pepper spray, a Taser and their batons to subdue the British Columbia resident. Police earlier said Knipstrom was extremely agitated, aggressive and combative with the two officers who responded. He was conscious and speaking when he was taken to the hospital.</p>
<p>The cause of death has yet to be determined. Although a Taser was used against Knipstrom, it was not immediately clear what role, if any, it played in his death, said Inspector Brendan Fitzpatrick.</p>
<p>Investigations into Knipstrom&#8217;s death have been launched separately by the British Columbia Coroner&#8217;s Office and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, police said at a news conference Saturday.</p></blockquote>
<p>He was pepper sprayed, he was struck with a baton, he was tased, and until there is an autopsy done NO ONE can state that this guy died because he was tased&#8230;</p>
<p>Who knows what other circumstances were involved, or hidden health problems, drugs, booze, who knows??</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the facts, if you mess up badlyÂ enough to get tased, you have a 99.9% chance of surviving to be a fool another day, take the taser away and leave the officers with the option of beating your ass or shooting you, well, only a moron would miss the point I am trying to make, let&#8217;s see how many morons we have reading here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RTaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RTaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianG - it all depends upon your definition of &quot;torture&quot;, I suppose....  Tasing a criminal certainly isn&#039;t torture and neither is waterbording of terrorists.  Unfortunately, there are those who think if you look at them crosseyed, it&#039;s torture (ok, I&#039;m being sarcastic, but you get the idea...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianG &#8211; it all depends upon your definition of &#8220;torture&#8221;, I suppose&#8230;.  Tasing a criminal certainly isn&#8217;t torture and neither is waterbording of terrorists.  Unfortunately, there are those who think if you look at them crosseyed, it&#8217;s torture (ok, I&#8217;m being sarcastic, but you get the idea&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gregory</title>
		<link>http://texasfred.net/archives/773/comment-page-1#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, now.  We all know the UN is a crackpot.  Serious question here (and I plan on having this debate over on my blog, check it out): is any torture acceptable?  Can we justify using torturous methods on captured enemy combatants?  I really want to hear the opinions of others before I make a final decision for myself.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, now.  We all know the UN is a crackpot.  Serious question here (and I plan on having this debate over on my blog, check it out): is any torture acceptable?  Can we justify using torturous methods on captured enemy combatants?  I really want to hear the opinions of others before I make a final decision for myself.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasFred</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexasFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another good point, every officer that carries a Taser is trained in it&#039;s properÂ use and only becomes certifiedÂ to use the TaserÂ AFTER they have been tased, and I don&#039;t mean a little tickle, I mean a FULL CHARGE 5 second blast, the officer KNOWS what the perp is feeling when tased because they &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been tased themselves...

It&#039;s a damn good thingÂ weapons qualifications aren&#039;t that tough, do you see where I&#039;m going with that?? :?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another good point, every officer that carries a Taser is trained in it&#8217;s properÂ use and only becomes certifiedÂ to use the TaserÂ AFTER they have been tased, and I don&#8217;t mean a little tickle, I mean a FULL CHARGE 5 second blast, the officer KNOWS what the perp is feeling when tased because they <em>have</em> been tased themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a damn good thingÂ weapons qualifications aren&#8217;t that tough, do you see where I&#8217;m going with that?? <img src='http://texasfred.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':?' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RTaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RTaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What BobF said.... :)
It is sad what our law enforcement officers have to put up with -- and I do hope this nonsense from the UN is ignored. 
We need to pull out of the UN and send them packing - Venezuela would be a nice place, I&#039;ve said it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What BobF said&#8230;. <img src='http://texasfred.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It is sad what our law enforcement officers have to put up with &#8212; and I do hope this nonsense from the UN is ignored.<br />
We need to pull out of the UN and send them packing &#8211; Venezuela would be a nice place, I&#8217;ve said it before.</p>
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		<title>By: BobF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw the UN!   As long as the tazer works then it needs to be used.   When it stops working then the cops need to go back to bullets.   230 grains of jacketed hollow point will do nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw the UN!   As long as the tazer works then it needs to be used.   When it stops working then the cops need to go back to bullets.   230 grains of jacketed hollow point will do nicely.</p>
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