I don’t want anyone taking them away from me. I have a CCW and I never carry a gun unless we go for a long drive, should I maybe but I don’t.

I have the right as an American to have my guns and my guns are ones I grew up with. I have my dads 30/30 that he bought when he was 16; it means a lot to me.

What’s my point, I don’t know, I just know that my dad always said that when they come to take our guns we stand right here and now, they don’t get the guns, Holy Shit I thought of as a kid.

I have a pistol that was given to him by Ronald Reagan; they will never take that away from me.

BobF: I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights but their has to be a way to prevent the wrong person from purchasing weapons. Unfortunately, I don’t have the answer to that.

Exactly, I see that YOU and Robert ‘get it’ as well… Damn, I might not should have gone ‘off’ on Top Gun like I did but NOWHERE did he even remotely address the question…

The 2nd amendment is in place for specific reasons, but the framers could have in NO WAY imagined the weaponry of today or the IDIOTS that think the 2nd gives them some specific ‘right’ to own said weaponry…

There has to be some way to reasonably remove not on the guns from the hands of the bad guys but to remove the bad guys as well, but like you, I’ll be damned if I have a clue as to HOW…

There’s always going to be a criminal element, always has been, always will be, all I know s for honest men to arm themselves and fight back, we DO fight back here in Texas, but as witnessed recently when Joe Horn killed the 2 burglars in his yard in Pasadena, TX, burglars that had NOT broken into HIS home, some people ALWAYS push every law to the limit and in some cases, even though they HAVE done something remotely correct, they hurt the gun owners of America even more BY those actions…

The guns sold at a respectable shop to Chuy and Pepe, are now registered to them, in California the guns have been (or are supposed to have been fired and ballistic record kept) I’m really not sure that this law has been fully enforced. So any shooting using those guns should be traceable back to the buyers, HOWEVER; from my understanding of ballistics, rifles or shotguns are difficult to trace. MOST drive by’’s are committed with Handguns.

I am not sure that the clean guns are so much the problem as those that have been stolen, transported from other countries, or just sold by folks with no regard for the damage they do.

I have no need for full automatic weapon yet, but if all hell breaks loose it sure would be nice to have.

BZ, hit it on the head, however #1 “Not against fellow citizens, but GOVERNMENT.”
is dependent upon citizens and not thugs.

I live in an area full of thugs and illegal invaders, which many times are one and the same. I would like it to be easier for good folks to purchase the means to defend themselves and HARDER for those that would use them to do harm.

Good Post there Fred, but please from now on, leave the Peoples Republic of California out of your posts, it is different than America here.

If we look at American History we will see that private citizens have always had superior or comparable small arms as their military. Civilians were shooting repeating rifles long before military personnel were issued them. Civilians had handguns that fired cartridges while the military was still issuing cap and ball handguns to its troops.

When we look at the term “arms” in the Constitution, I believe it’s referring to small arms, the firearms that a man will carry; not a cannon, etc. Small arms will also refer to machine guns which are legal to own if you have the proper licenses. I believe some common sense has to be used in the case of full auto weapons and if you could afford one, you could also afford the license necessary to own one. I’ve shot full auto AK-47’s and they were a blast but in actuality, one shot-one hit is preferable to spray and pray.

When I was stationed in Michigan, I went to a few gun shows in Detroit. It was interesting to watch a “gang-banger” pull out a wad of 100’s and 50’s big enough to choke a horse and purchase a couple AR-15’s. You would wonder where he got the money and what they were going to be used for. Everyone knew the answer but their was nothing the dealer could do but sell him the weapons because not to would invite lawsuits and trouble. I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights but their has to be a way to prevent the wrong person from purchasing weapons. Unfortunately, I don’t have the answer to that.

BZ

How many guns has the federal government taken away from you??

Why in the hell do you need a mortar, a cannon, a NUKE or whatever??

It’s people like YOU that I am referring to when I say that MANY abuse the 2nd, no one needs a fully automatic assault rifle, no one NEEDS a mortar or howitzer, for the love of Christ, using YOUR theory, why hell, let’s see how many nukes we can put in the garage…

I am NOT going to respectfully disagree, I am going to tell you, straight up, that theory is pure bullshit…

As I said in addressing BZ, some folks need to spend 20 or 30 years facing these assholes that you fail to speak against…

True liberty gives me true freedom to own whatever I choose as long as I act responsibly with the ownership of my guns, whatever they may be, and obey the laws of this country.

I have lost that liberty.

And what do we do with those that don’t, that is the question, did you miss that part?? I didn’t attack your ‘rights’, I asked WHAT do we do about those that DO cause us to lose rights, and you launch on a goddamned tirade as if I were trying to take your guns away, and THAT is bullshit…

And to say that YOU are denied the ‘right’ to own a fully automatic weapon is PURE BULLSHIT as well, apply to the BATF and get you a Class III, you can own, carry and use ANYTHING you want as far as most conventional weapons are concerned…

Somehow, I knew this thread would bring out the fringe group, the ones that blame the feds for taking their guns and rights away, when in truth, so far, that hasn’t happened…

Show me one instance, just one, where the feds have taken ANYTHING from you?? Show me where they TOOK your guns away or denied you the right to own whatever guns you want…

All they have done is regulate the process:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

It doesn’t say a goddamned thing about owning an AK-47 or a mortar, nor does it give you a right to own a Sherman tank, for crying out loud, exhibit a little, at least SOME common sense, and this also poses one more question, are YOU a member of a militia?? Well regulated or otherwise??

Get you a Class III and do as you please, to a point, and within reason, otherwise, NORMAL pistols, shotguns or rifles, that’s it, and please, try to address the actual point of the story next time…

Thank you BZ…

1. The Second was created PRECISELY for the purpose to giving the populace a means to combat an overreactive or oppressive government. Not against fellow citizens, but GOVERNMENT.

2. There are certain classes of citizens who should NOT have a right to bear arms, such as convicted felons, the mentally deficient, gang members (well, that would include those called “felons”).

3. Concealed carry would result in a more polite society with, likely, fewer mass killings.

4. There should be a NATIONAL “Entry Into Your Domicile” law that allows you to shoot to kill ANYONE who enters your home violently or to commit ANY crime whatsoever, with NO “retreat” rider involved.

BZ

Is that a possibility??