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Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

February 21st, 2010 . by TexasFred
Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC
Ron Paul has ended Mitt Romney’s three-year run as conservatives’ favorite for president, taking 31 percent of the vote in the Conservative Political Action Conference’s annual straw poll.

Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas known for his libertarian views, ran for president in 2008 but was never a serious contender for the GOP nomination.

Romney, former Massachusetts governor and also a 2008 GOP candidate, has won the last three presidential straw polls at the annual conference. This year, he came in second, with 22 percent.

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Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

CPAC has just rendered itself to be about 3 levels LESS than useless in MY opinion!

I realize that not ALL attendees to CPAC voted in this straw poll. I have been told that the Paulies came out in force. I was told that, apparently, the Paulies were the only ones that knew where the ballot box was. I have read that fewer than a quarter of the 10,000 attendees participated in the balloting. I find that pretty hard to believe actually, but, it’s possible.

Regardless, Ron Paul took 31% of the vote in the Conservative Political Action Conference’s annual straw poll? He was favored by 31% of the voting attendees. No matter the extenuating circumstances, I have to ask: are you people CRAZY?

I realize that this is a *straw poll* but for the love of God and Country, you had Mike Pence to vote for and you voted for Ron FREAKING Paul? Dr. Moonbat? A certified 9-11 Truther and an all around disgusting Libertarian that poses as a Republican because a Libertarian hasn’t got a chance of being elected to much of anything?

I thought CPAC was a place for CONSERVATIVES to gather and offer ideas for ways to take the nation back from the brink of destruction? I thought CPAC was a place where Conservatives went to get fired up, motivated, connected and ready to do some serious work for America.

And Ron FREAKING Paul is the best you guys could come up with?

Maybe there was a lot more going on. Maybe this *straw poll* wasn’t too high on the priorities of many of the attendees. All I know is this, the Mainstream Media, FOX News, ALL of them, they are all over this and making it look like Ron FREAKING Paul was the star of CPAC and is now the anointed one.

I have been proud to wear the name Conservative. Here’s why. I didn’t stop being a Dem all those years ago, I didn’t change, I was a Conservative then and I am a Conservative now. The Democratic Party changed. They went hard to the left. So, I became a Reagan Conservative. I embraced the Republican Party mostly because they had become the party of Conservatism and common sense.

Then, after the administrations of Bush 41 and Bush 43, many of us were fed up with the Caspar Milquetoast attitude of PCness and Democrat Lite we were seeing the GOP become before our very eyes.

So the Conservative movement truly came to be, and with it, CPAC, The TEA Party and a lot of very dedicated American patriots that want to do what’s RIGHT for America.

The TEA Party of late has been proving itself to be that rudderless ship that the left has accused it of being. I tried to see past it, but you can’t argue with truth. Well, you can, but you end up looking pretty foolish in the end.

CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, is supposed to be uniting Conservatives and getting the Conservative movement headed in the RIGHT direction. They are, supposedly, going about the business of fixing the rudder. Supposedly.

And then something like this happens.

Sarah Palin, who didn’t attend the conference, was a distant third in the straw poll, with 7 percent, followed by Tim Pawlenty, the Minnesota governor, and Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana.

Anyone that has ever read this blog knows, I don’t particularly care for Sarah Palin. I don’t have ANY degree of trust in her. I think Sarah is in it for Sarah. I am convinced that she is NOT a Conservative, her continued support of John McCain speaks volumes to that in my opinion.

Perhaps her not really being a Conservative is why she didn’t show up. Maybe she got wind of the Ron FREAKING Paul movement that was about to dominate the straw poll.

Who knows, maybe Sarah Palin isn’t as dumb as I think she is.

The straw poll is not binding — and not necessarily a good forecaster, given that in 2008, John McCain went on to take the party’s nomination over Romney.

Be that as it may, it doesn’t change the fact that 31% of the people attending CPAC, and voting in this straw poll, were total morons. 31% of the voters passed over Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty and Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana. I can understand them not voting for Sarah Palin, but they passed over 2 of the best, and the brightest, the GOP has to offer and straw polled for Ron FREAKING Paul.

I ask again, are you people CRAZY?

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49 Responses to “Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC”

  1. comment number 1 by: minuteman26

    Don’t think the real Conservtive/Republican candidate for 2012 has surfaced yet. Know for sure Ron Paul ain’t it.

  2. comment number 2 by: TexasFred

    Agreed minuteman26, if Paul is the guy, I am done, this nation is screwed and we may as well check it in…

    They ran a weak kneed moonbat last time, McCain, and we got Obama… Obama would clean Paul’s wussy clock and kick his ass too..

    I don’t know that this is indicative of the GOP’s choice yet, but Ron Paul is disaster looking for a place to happen…

  3. comment number 3 by: minuteman26

    Agreed. There must have been a lot of Libertarians at CPAC.

  4. comment number 4 by: Patrick Sperry

    I don’t see Ron Paul as ever being a real choice for anyone, and yes, that includes Libertarians. He is so far out there that Pluto must be visible to the naked eye. That folks, is from someone that was a card carrying Libertarian activist for almost thirty years. Crazed sycophants are why I left the party, and Ron Paul led the charge away from them being “The Party of Principle.”

  5. comment number 5 by: TexasFred

    Patrick, I was seriously hoping you’d weigh in here, that part about Paul being the leader of the charge is priceless…

    And dead on target too, no adjustment needed! :twisted:

  6. comment number 6 by: HoosierArmyMom

    Ron Paul has never been anything but a nut case. Palin isn’t even close to being a true Conservative, and I have serious doubts about Pawlenty, as he seems to back some questionable policy from time to time. The only one I have no doubt about is my own Congressman, Mike Pence. I have heard him speak at town halls and he never speaks out both sides of his mouth and he listens to what the people are saying. In my book he’s golden.

    It would seem CPAC was dominated by koolaid drinking Conservative posers (what I consider Paulies to be!).

  7. comment number 7 by: wildbill208

    Kinda looks like CPAC went to hell in a hand basket. Kinda like the 9-11 Truthers.

  8. comment number 8 by: TexasFred

    What seriously pisses me off is the part where only 1/4 or less of the attendees voted, and those that did were mostly moonbat Paulinistas…

    Why didn’t the other attendees vote? Somehow, I’m not buying the BS about the Paulies being the only ones that knew where to vote in this straw poll…

    Somehow, I am feeling like the thrill of the celebrity, pomp and circumstance and such was all that many went for…

    Somehow, I think the Paulinistas, as messed up as I believe them to be, actually came to CPAC to do business, not be a part of some photo op…

  9. comment number 9 by: BobF

    I read when Paul was announced as the winner of the straw poll, there was a lot of booing.

    It could be many of the conservatives didn’t vote was because they didn’t like the choices.

    I found it interesting Newt spoke like a conservative at the convention but when it comes time to put his words into action, he supports a RINO in NY against a true conservative. I bet he supports McCain against the conservative in Arizona.

  10. comment number 10 by: TexasFred

    Bob, that’s the problem with most of the GOP, they talk like a Conservative to get elected and vote like a RINO once they get there…

    If ever there was a group that needed to be scrapped, it’s the GOP, and ALL the 2-faced RINO posers with em..

    Many say there’s never going to be a successful 3rd Party, I submit that at this time, we only have one party anyway, Dem and Dem Lite, just minor variations in the 2.. Very minor apparently…

  11. comment number 11 by: mrchuck

    It is now the time to make the Tea Party a legitimate party to vote for.
    Or have it “take over the Republican Party for it’s name only.
    Dump McCain.
    Dump Michael Steele.
    Dump anyone who is not a believer in our Constitution, Bill Of Rights, Declaration of Independence.

  12. comment number 12 by: Kate

    I’ve spoken to a few folks who attended CPAC. From my understanding, they shut down the voting at 1 on Friday afternoon, which didn’t give those who were there, a whole lot of time, since there was so much else going on. Quite a few folks hadn’t even gotten there yet, so weren’t given the opportunity to vote. Believe me, those folks are just as disgusted as we are by the ‘results’.

    Wonder how many ACORN people were there? :?

  13. comment number 13 by: Always On Watch

    Because I just don’t have time to post as often as I used to, I post only items I consider critically important over at Infidel Bloggers Alliance.

    This matter of Ron Paul’s winning the straw poll is a matter of critical importance, so I posted this, which is basically a link to a comprehensive article about Ron Paul.

    Even if the conservative movement doesn’t tilt toward Ron Paul, his winning the straw poll will be used against the conservative movement and conservatives in general.

    I’m worried that the GOP is really going to go off the rails — more than already. Also, my concern goes deeper than and even precedes Ron Paul’s winning the straw poll. In my view, the GOP itself is rudderless and being co-opted by RINOs galore.

    BTW, I did go to CPAC, but not to attend CPAC per se. Tomorrow, I’ll be posting on what I did attend.

    While at CPAC, what I observed was some kind of pep rally. Sheesh.

  14. comment number 14 by: TexasFred

    Yeah Kate, excuses, we always hear the excuses…

    Excuses and assholes, everyone’s got one…

    And some of us are totally fed up with EXCUSES…

    If that CRAP is what we can expect from CPAC, CPAC really is useless…

  15. comment number 15 by: Kate

    Sure wasn’t making excuses for the Paulistas. Just sharing what I was told. :)

  16. comment number 16 by: TexasFred

    Kate, I didn’t even remotely think, or say that YOU were…

    I too shared what I was told… And it is BULLSHIT on the part of CPAC if this straw poll was done in the way you said it was, and again, excuses, FROM CPAC, are NOT what REAL Conservatives want to hear. They either get their shit together or they too spiral off into the abyss of uselessness…

  17. comment number 17 by: sdkar

    If I read the article correctly, you stated you were a Dem…is that right? It got me thinking because I remember back inthe 80′s when I first registered to vote, I registered as a Dem. Though I was quite naive, (and still am I suppose), I did my homework and found that it appeared that the Dems were for the people and the Reps were for big business and rich people. So natuarally, I was a Dem.

    You are right though, the Dems took a turn somewhere. I can’t remember when it was or, but today, it seems that the Dems version of “for the people” have turned into “for the poor or special interest people. This caused a shift in the Republican ideals in order to fill the gap and largely due to Reagan, who helped us realize that helping rich people and businesses, in turn, really helped the people….The people that WORKED. Whereas, the Democrats definition of people that needed their help went from “all people” to “all people who couldn’t help themselves and looking for a handout”.

    When I re-registered as a republican, I thought somehow my ideals had changed and chalked it up largely due to becoming older and wiser and of course going from a young idealistic kid to an adult.

    However, after reading your column, I realized that, like you, (or at least what I inferred from you), that my ideals really never changed…the parties did. My grandparents were Dems, my parents were Dems, and so I was a Dem. My changing to a Republican was not my being a “traitor” to the Democratic party, but a maintaining of my ideals. My belief that a gov’t should be there to serve the people, and serve on the limited basis as prescribed by our founding fathers. To serve the everyday hard working people that pay taxes and are the heart, soul and muscle that built this country.

    I can’t help but feel that a big reason so many people still vote Democrat is out of habit. My parents still vote Democrat because that is what they have always done, its habit. Kinda like the same reason my dad still buys Ford, because that is what he has always done…call it brand loyalty I guess.

    Which brings me to my point. We need to change people’s habit of voting Democrat just because that is what the people who vote democrat have always done. We need to show them that the Democrats of the past are not the same Democrats today. We have to get people to remember why they originally sided with the Democrats and re-assess their values. Of course, there will always be the people who always have their hand out that will always vote for those that will give them the most. This is where I fear for the Republicans in that they compromise the core values and ideals of the republican party just to try and gain this block of voters. These voters are like drug addicts. They will always vote for the person that will give them drugs instead of voting for the guy that will straighten them out. It may not be the easy choice, but it is the right choice.

    My parents and in-laws all voted for Obama. When I asked them why they like Obama, they couldn’t give me a single good reason, other than he was not Bush. To them, McCain was Bush all over again. I suppose they wanted hope and change as well. I have to say that Bush gave Republicans a bad name and if McCain was the best the Republicans had to offer, than I could understand, that to them, Obama was their only choice.

    Well, as they say, it takes a disaster to get people to open their eyes, and Obama has certainly been that disaster. My parents and in-laws now see that Democrats no longer represent “for the people”. In fact, due to the tea-parties, blogs such as yours, and the huge amount of information now being put out there, more and more people learning what both Democrats and Republicans are all about. People are realizing that they have been duped and that the Democrats of today are no longer the noble Democrats of years past.

    We need to show these old time Democrat voters that they need to look past the (D) attached to a candidates name. That by voting for a Republican is not changing your core values, but re-assigning them to the proper candidate. After all, it’s hard to break such a long time habit. So instead, all of us need to make people realize that they are not changing their ideals by voting “conservative” but are maintaining the integrity they have always had. That being “for the people” may now best be represented by a Republican.

    I have been able to convince my parents and in-laws of this and I feel confident that they will vote in a more educated manner come next election. No longer will my vote be just a cancelling out of my parents opposite vote (I hope).

    Just thought I would add my two cents to your thought provoking article.

  18. comment number 18 by: cary

    My family, too, had a history of being Democrats. And by history, I’m talking since before there was a nation, my family was in the corner of conservative, and by/for/about the People.

    Ron Paul? Really?

    If CPAC is going to stand by it’s straw poll, then we, the truly conservative in this Nation, need to figure out how to wrest the name “Conservative” away from, and issue a restraining order upon, those who are trying to co-opt the meaning of the word.

    Really? Ron Paul?

    Rupaul would have a better chance of getting my vote – at least you can believe what he/she/it says, even if the appearance deceives.

    Ron Paul?

    I am disgusted.

  19. comment number 19 by: Kate

    sdkar, what you posted sounds a whole lot like what has happened with a lot of folks raised in the South. :)

    @Fred I know. :)

  20. comment number 20 by: Annie Oakley

    Wow SDKAR. Initially thought I dunno bout your post but bottom line is, I think you’re correct, dead on that Democratic voting is habitual. Especially with older people. You’re exactly right, they may not even follow politics, but they’ll vote as usual!! SAD!! Don’t know how to change that…..

    If Ron Paul got the straw then we are screwed…………..

    Forget 3rd parties, it won’t happen. The consolidation of true GOP (no rino’s) and Teaple would work if THEY can work together and not worry about clout. Push the best man forward with all the help he needs. It has to be someone who is willing to take it on for AMERICA and the people, not for his name in the history books. A true willingness that is unselfish………….Hard to find? Yes and no. He may be under our noses but the bs, such as CPAC will keep us away from finding him if we’re discouraged/sidetracked. We must move forward with a firm intent to do what the majority in “the real America” is looking for, we cant and wont give up. Ron Paul….that’s a damn insult!!

  21. comment number 21 by: Right Truth

    If Politico was correct, there were over 10,000 people at CPAC and only a little over 2,000 voted in the Straw Poll. Many there were students, many Ron Paul supporters. So the Straw Poll is useless. When has anyone who won the straw poll actually won the nomination and won the presidency?

    What it does show is that people are not satisfied with the same old reruns for candidates. This is an opportunity for the true Conservatives to step up and run for the first time. We do have a few.

    (I could have sworn I left a comment here this morning, must be going mad…)

  22. comment number 22 by: Ron Russell

    Honestly I was expecting this from the Ron Paul supporters, they were bussed in by the hundreds and their numbers at CPAC were far greater than their influence amoung conservatives. I recall back in 2008 when FOX was letting listeners vote by texting on the various candidates and Paul almost always won. Pauls supporters are not your usual supporter they are rabid!l Most of them are young people who are really, really on the fringe just like Paul—if you think you’re radical you need to be around these young Ron Paul supporters for a few hous. This CPAC vote is nothing more than a very active and aggressive action by young radicals from the right. It is a warning however, in that it shows the energy of the young, a energy that will be there for Obama in 2012 so I would urge every true conservative to get his ass in gear or we will be left behind!

  23. comment number 23 by: Annie Oakley

    I hope and pray your right, Right Truth! I WISH, only a wish, now that Lt Col Allen West has been drawn to my attention and i’ve looked into this man…i wish and hope he’ll be a candidate. If only wishes could come true. He’s probably not even interested but what a fascinating man!

  24. comment number 24 by: Don

    Ron Paul is an idiot. Sorry but he still thinks that the United States is responsible for 9/11, and the continued terrorist attacks. From an interview on Larry King Live, between Larry, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ron Paul and Ben Stein:

    “Congressman: Why are they terrorists?

    Ben Stein: They’re terrorist and murderers because they’re psychos.

    Ron Paul: They’re terrorists because we’re occupiers.

    Ben Stein: No, we’re not occupiers. That’s the same anti-semitic argument we’ve heard over and over, no.”

    I will admit, he has good ideas fiscally and especially concerning the Fed, but he would make a terrible President.

    As for the straw poll at CPAC, it is clear that it was hijacked by Paulbots. Combine that with the fact that only 2,395 ballots were cast out of over 10,000 attendees. I would say that Romney is still the front runner for the GOP, but at this point it is way too early to declare anyone as the true front runner for the GOP Presidential bid.

  25. comment number 25 by: TexasFred

    Well, no matter the percentages of how many voted as opposed to how many attended, the people at CPAC knew, by God they KNEW this poll was going to happen and most of the attendees didn’t bother to vote…

    And if CPAC didn’t know it was going to happen, they must have their heads buried in their asses and need to take a hard look at who runs the show and what happens there…

    Any way it went down, it doesn’t matter, it happened, the MSM got as hold of it and they are pointing fingers at CPAC and claiming that Ron Paul is the new face of Conservatism in America…

    That my friends is why I am so pissed off over this BS…

  26. comment number 26 by: Don

    Let me add that of the 10,000 plus attendees this year at CPAC, a full 48% are students, so it is easy to see why Ron Paul won the straw poll. His views of our national security and his blame America first rhetoric resonates among the highly liberal academia elite. This, of course will influence the college students, both conservatives and liberals alike.

    As to why Palin did not attend CPAC, well she accepted a speaking engagement at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. Maybe she saw that the John Birch Society was at CPAC in abundance along with the Paulbots, and thought twice about being there. Who knows? I have stated here before that I hold Sarah Palin in high regard, not necessarily as a candidate in ’12, but for sure as a strong Conservative voice. I know you don’t like her Fred, and I respect your opinion, but I have mine too.

    Great piece, btw. :)

  27. comment number 27 by: TexasFred

    Don, I have never questioned, denigrated nor disparaged you FOR that opinion either…

    We ALL have our opinions of the various politicos, you are entitled to yours as I am mine, but you don’t have to defend your opinion of a person in here… It’s YOUR opinion, if you can live with it, I’m OK with it too… Agreed or not…

  28. comment number 28 by: Don

    I just re-read what I wrote and I see that it came across more harsh than I wanted. That will teach me to proof read before I hit submit from now on, lol.

    I highly respect your views on the political process and the way you handle the moonbats.

  29. comment number 29 by: ablur

    I am surprised the media even mentioned the event.

    Ron Paul has got to be worse then Al Franken or Obama.

    Some of the speeches were really good at CPAC. The conservatives needed this. Glenn Beck wowed them. He gave a scolding to both parties and set the record straight. If they hung around for that perhaps a few were woken by the truth.

    It is going to be a tough fight taking our nation back. Try to focus on one key point. It took someone as horrible as Carter to give us Reagan. I can’t wait to see what comes out of the likes of Obama.

  30. comment number 30 by: randomonium

    Alright, ya’ll…..I read Freds blog daily and I never make comments other than to agree with everyone when they talk about gun control and what a stupid idea it is to violate the second amendment for political reasons…..but I have to jump to Ron Pauls defense here, just a little.
    Now, let me explain…….
    Ron Paul is nuts. I have no idea where his ideas come from, for the most part, and while I support his ideas on the economy and the war on drugs, in all other respects, I have no idea what the heck that man is talking about. I mean…..he’s a 9/11 truther. They believe that Sci-fi technology covered the truth about 9/11 with holograms and a 10000 man conspriracy, and that’s just insane. But….when every other candidate has failed, when the GOP puts forth a contender like John McCain, who supported a beauty queen from Alaska as his running mate, and the Dems put up a choice between the (very PC) woman or african-american, (if he is, indeed, american at all) and NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE SENATE OR CONGRESS looks at the choice between the two as ridiculous? Well, Ron Paul may actually be the best choice. He’s not an old man just running on his war record from 30 years past, and he’s not a minority.
    So, here’s my defense of Ron Paul.
    Ron Paul is not a minority, so we don’t have to worry about affermative action. Ron Paul is not from a family steeped in politics for generations, so we don’t have to worry about loyalty. Ron Paul is just some dingbat…..and he’s still better than most other candidates put forward, as well as being smart enough to bus in his equally crazy supporters to win the straw poll. As it’s pretty common nowadays to pad the ballot, and Ron Paul was the only one who did…..Ron Paul is most likely smarter than the other candidates. at least as far as the modern political arena goes. Is he a conservative? No. Is he a liberal? No. Does he know how to talk out of both sides of his mouth? OH, YES, HE DOES! So, he’s basically the same as the other contenders, but remembered to cheat when the others didn’t.
    To be honest, right now, I’m seeing a Palin/Paul ticket and it scares me for the state of our country!
    Heck I’m tempted to just write in my dog on the ballot at this point. He probley has a better understanding of the real world than ANY of these politicians.

  31. comment number 31 by: Doc Roy

    Fred, this is a beautiful post. Lots of goood comment. Ron Paul is 80% on the line and 20% pure shit. The 20% completely stinks up the rest of his game. The paulies are really a rabid bunch. They try to take over every Repub political gathering. I work with the Repub Party here in Colorado and the paulies are hardnosed, never-say-die, and gosh-awful irritable. Newt set up CPAC and he thinks he is, by rights, the next Republican candidate. He’s wrong, he is a RINO! The problem with the Repubs is that there are too many RINOS in the group. They’re nearly all CAVE MEN, WIMPS. They’re always fighting a gentlemen’s battle in a barroom brawl. My first real vote was for Goldwater—that dates me. My dad was a lifelong Democrat. He was to his death, always saying the Repubs were taxing us out of existence. My bro, a Dem, has not spoken to me since Obama took over the car industry. On the comment there is not anyone at the present to lead the Repubs, I agree. Steele? No way! Begin by getting him out of the way. Lots of yelling but we are going to have to shut up and and agree on “someone” to take the reins—pretty soon. The comments in this post are pretty well in line with my thinking.

  32. comment number 32 by: Mr Pink Eyes

    Maybe there was more to it. Maybe they thought that by voting for Ron Paul they could bring his fringe element into the movement. Just a thought, I don’t understand why else he could have won this straw poll. It seems to have come out of the blue.

  33. comment number 33 by: HoosierArmyMom

    “Many say there’s never going to be a successful 3rd Party, I submit that at this time, we only have one party anyway, Dem and Dem Lite, just minor variations in the 2.. Very minor apparently…TF”

    Man, that is the truth!!! I was raised in a heavy duty Southern Democrat influence. sdkar is right. There was a point where the party changed for the worse and became down right commie influenced in my opinion. It was when the Progressives moved in for the kill and the unions were so corrupt they joined in on the scam.

    Now the Republican Party, in order to compete with the appeal the Progressives have with the entitlement folks, turned toward progressive dogma too! Thus the over abundance of RINOs we now have.

    It is time for a new Conservative, patriot Party to emerge. Those who express the ideals the founding fathers personified.

  34. comment number 34 by: Bloviating Zeppelin

    Ron Paul is a One Trick Pony. I agree with him on ONE thing. Period. Other than that he’s a waste of time. I’m not quite ready to throw CPAC completely away over this yet.


  35. comment number 35 by: Bloviating Zeppelin

    A final point as well:

    If ANYONE is going to go “Third,” that one person would have to be so stunningly charismatic, so brain-glazingly Conservative, so as to be THE choice for any person calling themselves an actual Conservative — Republican or otherwise.

    I simply don’t think I’ve yet seen or heard of that one person, with an exception: Tom McClintock.

    And he’s not running.


  36. comment number 36 by: Don

    No differences in the two parties??? Really? Then why did the Repubs, all in BOTH houses (save one idiot in the House) vote against Obamacare? If there is no difference, then they would have voted right along with the left. The GOP has so far stopped Obamacare, Cap and Tax and Card check. They tried to stop the stimulus, but to no avail.

    I admit that we need to be skeptical of the GOP and we need to hold their feet to the fire, but to say there is no difference between the two parties is crazy. By making that statement, you are throwing away a number of good, conservative Repubs.

    The GOP had the majority and blew it. They started off strong with the Contract for America, but eventually the lure of pork and run away spending became too strong. It is time to get back to conservative principles, I totally agree. But to throw away the GOP by saying they are Dem Lite is not conducive to rebuilding the party.

  37. comment number 37 by: TexasFred

    @Don… NO DIFFERENCE, Really..

    The ONLY difference any more is Dem vs Dem Lite… The Dem Lite being the former *Party of Reagan*…

  38. comment number 38 by: Don

    So the fact that the GOP voted 99% unanimously against Obamacare makes them just like the Democrats? Unless you are speaking directly to their awful spending habits under GW Bush, then at that point, and only at that point can I agree. But to paint with a broad brush and say that the Republicans are exactly like the Democrats is just wrong. They are flawed, yes. They have RINO’s in their midst, yes. But to say that there is no difference between the parties is to just throw your hands up and surrender to the left. We have to fight for every piece of ground right now under this admin and Congress. I think, that despite their faults – and I am the FIRST to point out their faults – the GOP has done very very well in stopping Obama’s agenda.

    Can you not give them credit for that?

  39. comment number 39 by: TexasFred

    Don, I am guessing that the OPINION thing you were commenting on a day or so ago only applies to you…

    I stated MY opinion, on MY blog.

    Dem and Dem Lite, that what I see, that’s what I said… Deal with it…

  40. comment number 40 by: Don

    I am dealing with it, just was asking for clarification. If you want to give up on the only chance we have as a country to get rid of the leftists, then fine. Your blog, your rules.

  41. comment number 41 by: TexasFred

    It hasn’t got a damned thing to do with rules Don, it has EVERYTHING to do with opinion.

    You stated yours, I stated mine and now you’re acting like I’m some kind of dictator. What happened to all that *freedom of opinion* BS you were just saying? I don’t get to state MY opinion on MY blog?

    I’m not telling YOU what to believe, but by the same token, I am not going to accept what you’re telling ME if I don’t believe it…

    It’s called DEBATE, it’s called having an OPINION, it’s called having a DIFFERENCE of opinion, if that isn’t acceptable to you, if ME stating MY opinion on MY blog isn’t acceptable to YOU, maybe YOU need to move along… This may not be the right place for you…

    Just sayin’…

  42. comment number 42 by: Don

    Fair enough, but you can’t call it debate when only one point of view is allowed, YOURS. You want me to leave, I can. Up to you.

  43. comment number 43 by: TexasFred

    One point of view? WTF are you looking for? A fight? You can damn sure get one…

    I didn’t tell you not to post ANYTHING, I didn’t delete a damned thing you posted!

    Now you HAVE pissed me off… You’re acting like a goddamned libber in a high school debate…

    One point of view? You aren’t THAT damned dumb, I know you’re not… Show me one place where your comments have been moved, edited, deleted or where I told you not to say so and so…

    You can’t, and Don, you just lost ALL credibility with this crybaby bullshit and your lie…

  44. comment number 44 by: Kate

    Democrats – Tax and Spend
    Republicans – Spend

    Ergo….Dem Lite. At least that’s the way I see it. :)

  45. comment number 45 by: TexasFred

    Kate, Don asked me to delete his account, so, I did… He wants to accuse me of limiting his ability to speak his opinion here, well, he is a damned LIAR… And I am glad to see him go…

    If he’s that big a schlep for the GOP, screw it, he’s NO loss…

  46. comment number 46 by: Kate

    Seems like he was doing a pretty good job of expressing his opinion. It was getting to be an interesting debate. Well, until…. :?

  47. comment number 47 by: TexasFred

    Yeah, I thought so too… :|

  48. comment number 48 by: TexasFred

    And to make things crystal clear, 2 of Don’s comments HAVE now been deleted.

    If he wanted his account deleted, okie dokie, I am happy to oblige, so, no comments made past that time bear any consequence on this discussion… He requested deletion and thusly, gave up his right to comment…

    Just posting this in the interest of fair & balanced, and honesty…

  49. comment number 49 by: OregonBuzz

    Ron Paul. Wow, what a failure in conservative leadership. Actually, at this moment in time, the phrase conservative leadership is a contradiction in terms.
    Along with this fiasco we have the newly elected Scott Brown who was hailed as the premier conservative candidate in MA, voting for the Jobs Bill. Suspicions confirmed!
    Just another John McCain clone. Or, maybe Teddy has been re-incarnated? God help us.