Utah’s Gun Permit Popular With Nonresidents
James Roe, a 64-year-old computer consultant from rural Pennsylvania, spent a recent Saturday in a Pittsburgh suburb learning about riflings, hangfires and powder charges. The gun safety class was for people seeking a concealed weapon permit in Utah, some 1,500 miles away. Never mind that Mr. Roe has not been to Utah in 20 years and has no plans to visit anytime soon.
Like thousands of other gun owners who will likely never set foot in Utah, Mr. Roe wants a permit there for one reason: It allows him to carry his 45-caliber automatic pistol in 32 other states that recognize or have formal reciprocity with Utah’s gun regulations.
“I think that all states should be as broad based with reciprocity and as careful as the state of Utah is,” said Mr. Roe, who wants the option of bringing his handgun with him when he visits his son in Ohio, both for protection and for target practice. (Ohio does not honor Pennsylvania weapon permits.)
With the Supreme Court ruling last week that the Second Amendment’s guarantee of an individual’s right to bear arms applies to state and local laws, Utah is a popular player in Americans’ efforts to legally obtain firearms. The state is issuing what has become the permit of choice for many gun owners.
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Utah’s Gun Permit Popular With Nonresidents
Just so everyone knows, in case there is someone out there that doesn’t know or hasn’t heard, TexasFred loves him some guns, supports the Second Amendment and believes we should all have the right to open carry as long as there are no serious legal issues in your past that haven’t been settled and/or expunged.
I am a strong believer in concealed carry too. That said, in MY opinion;
Anyone that has a Utah Concealed Handgun License should have that license suspended until such time as they have moved to Utah and are a legal resident OF Utah.
I am all for reciprocity, a CHL from an issuing state to a legal RESIDENT of that state should be honored by ALL states that allow concealed carry. Reciprocity is NOT my issue.
But Utah’s permit program has its critics. Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, asserted that Utah’s policy was dangerous because many states are lax in submitting felony and mental health records to the federal database used for background checks.
“I think it’s absolutely shameful and ludicrously irresponsible to say that anybody anywhere who wants one of our concealed carry permits, and thus will be able to carry legally in dozens of states, can just log on to our Web site and pay 60 bucks and that’s all she wrote,” Mr. Hamm said.
I have NO USE for the *Brady Bunch*, for the most part they are nothing but a bunch of anal retentive libber gun grabbers that want noting more than to disarm the American people.
In this particular instance I am forced to agree with Peter Hamm, too many issuers are lax in the way they do background checks.
Background checks and training. Those are supposed to be the whole purpose of the CHL, it’s issuance and possession. Supposedly, the CHL holder has been fully vetted, trained and is thought to be mature and capable of carrying, and USING a concealed weapon responsibly.
So one would think, but, one may be wrong!
Another source of contention is that the class does not require any actual shooting. One could conceivably obtain a Utah permit without ever having fired a gun. Nevada and New Mexico recently stopped honoring Utah permits because the class does not meet its live fire requirements.
“Residents of other states should be aware that people who have a Utah concealed weapon permit may not have actually fired a weapon,” said Dee Rowland, chairwoman of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah. “I think that would be quite shocking to members of the public.”
And that, my friends, is the crux of the matter. I am of the opinion that there should be a minimum requirement for any and ALL that seek to become holders of a CHL, and I am of the opinion that this minimum needs to be uniform and requirements set very high.
Make it difficult to obtain a CHL. Make the applicant work for it. Make it so that the CHL holder is a cut above others and is well qualified in ALL areas of gun safety and operation, especially the most important part, LIVE FIRE!
Watch this video from WFAA Channel 8 here in Dallas. They cover the differences between Utah vs Texas concealed handgun laws.
So, let me put it like this; you can walk into the DMV and just ACE the written test, but you’ve never driven a car. Same premise. You can read all the books about guns in the world, you can study every written or media piece about guns, their capabilities, their handling, their range and a ton of stuff.
Just because you can pass a written exam doesn’t make you a GUN HAND, and there’s a whole bunch of real GUN HANDS that won’t have a damned thing to do with you, simply because you are a lazy ASS that didn’t, or wouldn’t take the time and spend the money to get a CHL that had a bit of work involved.
One other thing, and here is where I am going to piss off more than a few folks that are CHL holders; just because you have a full blown CHL, one that required you to actually study, for several hours, just because you went out there and were able to qualify because you could shoot the pistol you brought, and could actually HIT the target, doesn’t necessarily make you a GUN HAND either.
It means that if you are, or have been, previously trained in proper gun safety and procedures, you now know the rules of having a CHL. The course itself will NOT make you a trained gun fighter. It teaches you to punch holes in paper targets.
They aren’t living and breathing human beings, and they are NOT shooting back!