The Fear that is being spread throughout America
I hear fear in the voices of many Americans when they talk about all the ammo DHS has supposedly bought or has ordered.
OK, STOP THE PANIC … everyone take a deep breath and read this post.
I don’t care how many rounds of ammunition the DHS buys; they don’t have enough shooters, people to pull the trigger. Its simple arithmetic, if the shit hits the fan I am firmly convinced that at least 75% of ALL Law Enforcement Officers and Soldiers will turn and walk away, back to their homes and families. They will bring their tools of the trade with them, count on it.
I also believe that there will be Federal Cops, of all tilts, that will walk away too.
What do you think the remainder of Law Enforcement is going to do? Face off with MILLIONS of well-armed American Patriots, former Cops and Soldiers, and all the fire power we possess?
Confiscation of all guns is a threat you say? Before any of this takes place Obama will confiscate all the guns? BULL SHIT…
Once that order is given, confiscate the guns, that’s when the 75% walks away, so, who’s gonna do it? The few sycophants left that will commit suicide for Obama, Pelosi and Feinstein??
What are they going to do? Go to MILLIONS of well-armed homes and knock on the door? Demand, in the name of Obama, that you turn in your guns because it will make you and America safer?
Seriously?
For the love of Christ, wake up America, the US Government hasn’t got that many shooters or damned FOOLS working in Federal Law Enforcement.
Lately I have seen many on Facebook, and every other social media outlet, that believe it to be their duty to spread fear and discontent among the American people.
They feel it their duty to point out that we can’t fight the U.S. military, and for some reason they doubt me when I say that at least 75% of ALL U.S. troops, from all branches, and at least a like number of American Law Officers, will turn and walk away as they join the American people as we defend FREEDOM in this nation.
Those that try to convince us that we can’t fight the military are right, we can’t, not with our weapons and not without the addition of those troops I am convinced will join the American people. I am fully convinced that the 75% of the military that would walk would bring their toys with them. That more than levels the playing field!
And if you doubt this, if YOU believe U.S. Troops will take up arms against American citizens on the orders of Obama, talk to your friends and/or family that are Cops or Troops. They took the oath to defend against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Ask them about orders to fire on American citizens and if they would follow such an order.
Then you need to figure in how many Veterans will stand in this fight, and consider this; many of those Vets bring some wicked skills to the table.
I am getting damned tired of the negative people and the nervous Nellie’s that are afraid of their own damned shadows. If you don’t love the USA, if you haven’t got the will to fight or if you lack the courage to stand and defend America, let me be blunt; if you’re a damned COWARD, just say so.
Look folks, I don’t want to go to war, I don’t want to die either. I am not in the best of health and I would love to spend my final years playing with my grandchildren, but if we must fight to keep this nation free and to protect the freedoms and lives of our children and grandchildren, and all future generations, in the words of Patrick Henry; “Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Feint heart ne’er won fair lady, and it never won a fight or a battle either. Get positive about standing up for America or shut the hell up.
How simple can it be?
Now I want you to know, this post doesn’t apply to ALL of my readers, in fact, it is only directed at a very few, but as they say; if the shoe fits!
As usual, you are spot on. Keep up the good work. I will NOT give up my collection. Don’t shoot much anymore, but I got a nice collection and folks come to visit they enjoy as do I.
I have to admit I was one of those nervous nellies, but then, common sense took over. We may be labeled kooks and extremists; but there have been a few meme’s going around that are also pretty common sense-if the government can’t find a “mere” 11 million illegals to round up and deport, how are they going to find all of our firepower? I have also maintained repeatedly, America is still the stubborn, obstinate, stick our chins out and dare you to punch us country we know and love. I’m one of those people that if you TRY to order me to do something, I’ll simply laugh in your face and do exactly the opposite. I don’t take orders. I have a feeling the majority of us American “scrappers” are the same way. I also feel stinky has seriously underestimated the American population with his stance on so many things, and the giant is slowly stretching and awakening. He WILL have a comeuppance and it won’t be pretty. We are not a beat down third world, no matter how much he wishes it. We are not “tameable” or “controllable”. He WILL find that out.
Thanks for posting this Fred… I have shared it with my Navy Chief shipmates by posting your entire commentary on The Goatlocker with all credits appropriately given to you.
Of course I will receive a lot of guff back for stirring the pot. But I stole you little disclaimer about offending folks and use it freely … thanks for that also.
Gene
And thank YOU Chief, for taking that stand and not being afraid to speak out, even knowing that some will not agree… I do that every day… 😛
Your optimism that those in the military would resist what might be considered an unlawful order had validity before the inception of the all volunteer armed forces. Most federal, state, and municipality law enforcement agents will tow the government line as well as most of the military when the SHTF. Prime example was the disarming that occurred in the aftermath of Katrina by the federalized national guard. This is my opinion and it’s based on what I perceive as the reality of the situation. Does that mean that true patriots should not resist the tyranny of oppressive government? Certainly not, but it will defiantly separate the talkers from the walkers. May God bless our republic.
Your pessimism makes me think that YOU are full of SHIT and are one of the people that this post was directly aimed at…
Your reference to Katrina is what convinces me most… The assholes in NOLA were shooting at Cops, Troops, helicopters and everyone trying to SAVE their goofy asses… Personally, I think you need to find a new place to post your bullshit… Yes, that IS a warning…
Fred you nailed it as usual….
44 Magnum — You’re wrong….one thing you fail to take into consideration is those folks you say will tow the line live in neighborhoods or bases that are surrounded by the good American gun owners……they will not obey a gun grab order, as a RETIRED Chief of Police I would order my officers to NOT obey a gun grab order if I were in a position to do so.
Brady — All of the Chiefs I know, all of the Sheriff’s I know, all of the every day Police Officers, the guys and gals on the line, active and retired, have made it VERY clear that they will NOT accept nor enforce ILLEGAL orders…
44 Magnum is a numbnutz and has a very short future here… Trust me on that one…
44? Just how many Police, Sheriffs etc do you actually know? Sure, there are a couple rogues now and then. The nitwit in L.A. being a prime example. By far most are honorable and decent folks. That, simply put, will not enforce any order that is clearly illegal.
You just described over 75% of our LEOs… That is why this MORON 44 Magnum is gone… I abhor stupidity, and he had an over-abundance…
Probably a good thing that I don’t still have Admin powers Bro. He made an asshat comment sometime back that I would have pulled the trigger on.
I know, I was trying to be a bit tolerant… No more of that!
There’s no way the members of our Armed Forces would turn upon the people of this nation. The one thing that separates our men and women from the rest of the world’s militaries is that our folks are taught and required to think for themselves. Military members swear an oath to defend the Constitution and also to obeay all orders of the president and officers pointed over them according to the UCMJ. All orders MUST be in accordance with the UCMJ. You’ll notice that the first part of the oath is to the Constitution. That’s because the Constitution is above all and the UCMJ is subservient to the Constitution. If an order violates the UCMJ or the Constitution, it is to be disobeyed. Look at it this way. If the SHTF, you think some high ranking officers are going to make a group of enlisted men do something they believe is unconstitutional or wrong…no freaking way in Hell.
Speaking of ammo. DHS is purchasing 1.5 Billion rounds of ammo. Only 70 million rounds were expended in Iraq. Reading up on this, it would take 27 miles of 18 wheelers lined bumper to bumper to transport it. There isn’t enough people in government to shoot that much stuff much less haul it around.
Bob, apparently this 44 Magnum dude is a military and police hater… Oh, and just so you know, he is GONE… 😈
It’s good to be Admin! 😛
Nice shooting Boss…
😈
357, 45, or index finger..? ROFLMAO!
The US GOVT order of ammo has directly affected what is now available to the citizenry!!!! I attended another close by Gun Show, and ammo prices to the citizenry has risen a lot because the US GOVT has ordered the ammo manufacturers to supply “them” first under some order of National Defense!!!!
This is 100% Obama’s doing, I am sure.
If Obama’s storm troopers came into MY part of TEXAS, they would be confronted, stopped, and interrogated as to what they were here for???
Obama will never, never again show up in TEXAS again.
And Governor Rick Perry knows this.
Damn,,, sounds like the beginnings of a Civil War, 2013 style!!!!!
The real reason that the government is stocking up on Ammo is to defend us from the Zombie Apocalypse. I thought everyone knew that.
Damn Katie, now you’ve gone and done it… 🙁
That was supposed to be a highly classified secret..
LMAO 😛
It’s strange how prices are raising some places and not others. My Wall-Mart has been out of most ammo for a while. As soon as they get it in, it’s sold. I know guys who check every morning as the clerks can tell you when and what they’re expecting in. About three weeks ago, my Wal-Mart had very good supply of 5.56×45 Federal green tip ammo selling at $175 for 420 rounds with an ammo can. That’s about $8.33 per box. The same stuff is selling at $399 for a 300 round box at Cheaper Than Dirt. CTD used to sell that same ammo at a cheaper price than Wal-Mart but now for some reason, it’s a lot more expensive through them. From what I’m reading, DHS mainly bought 9mm and .40 ammo with some .308. For some reason, the .40 ammo seems in pretty good supply here in town. I’m a big supporter of the Capitalistic System but I think there’s either some price gouging or the supply is being kept low to increase prices. I don’t like it but I can’t say I blame them as they want to make their money while they still can. Who knows, there may be an executive order banning sales over the internet.
The more the major national ammunition factories work in order to fulfill priority contracts, you can see the results. Ammo is vanishing, prices are skyrocketing and firearms are flying off shelves. It may be price-gouging, it may be pure Capitalism. But instituting a series of major federal ammunition purchases does two things: 1) stocks up the federal stores, and 2) takes that much production off the market. And I suspect it was my post that spawned yours here.
You see what you see from Texas. But there are many armed persons in many states who, I fear, will face expressed or implied confiscation and will comply. Either through insurance issues or regulatory compliance.
In this regard, you are much more optimistic than I am, my friend. I don’t believe, any more, in the inherent courage of the Average American. And certainly not in the courage of the last few generations of same. Yes, there are still good and loyal soldiers. Good and loyal cops. But the old timers are fading and the cops of my generation are like The Greatest Generation of WWII: we’re damned near completely gone. Trust me: the current crop of cops are not the same, by and large. There’s insufficient room here to write why. But they’ll leave for better pay, for better working conditions, so they can grow a beard, etc etc etc.
In this case I must admit: I am a pessimist.
BZ
I stand with the attitude of Patrick Henry and others, and I’m glad I saw the possibility of this and stocked up like many, many others. I’m not giving them up voluntarily. I also believe BZ, the attitudes of the young people have been slowly changed to sheeplike more and more.
MissBeth, DO NOT go in the kitchen and make me a ham sandwich. 🙂
My best friend was at kent state when the national guard gunned down unarmed kids. The military rounded up the japs into camps. I think you are right, but zero is getting rid of so many generals one has to wonder why.
Obama is removing Generals that are FIGHTERS and followers of the Constitution and replacing them with sycophants… The troops, by and large, won’t take orders from sycophants, but you guys don’t believe that…
Well, you can ALL believe anything you want to, I presented an opinion, many of you say NO, I am wrong, the troops and police WILL come for us and our guns, well, here’s the deal, get ready to face HELL, all of you, a HELL of your own making…
I can be an alarmist just like Alex Jones if that’s what some of you want to hear…
Yeah, DHS has all that ammo, they are coming to take your guns, rape your wives, drink your beer, eat your food and kill your dogs…
And your children are the ones that told on you…
You folks, for the most part, need to talk to troops and police officers, and I mean officers NOT in California, that place is a lost cause… Try building a relationship with some troops and police officers, hear what THEY have to say, or go on with this InfoWars BULLSHIT and worry yourselves to death… That’ll save the DHS Nazis from having to kill you…
In my state I know only one police officer and he did tell me the people entering the force are not the same as the “old” officers. He said many of these people are just computer nerds and a lot of them never owned or shot a gun before joining the local police force and a lot of them have a very hard time qualifying with firearms. This tells me that a lot of them may have no respect for the 2nd Amendment. I think compliance with illegal orders will probably vary from region to region and even from county to county. Where this will end up I can’t predict and I will just have to wait to find out. I do know this: Anyone coming to take any of my property, rape my wife, drink my beer, or kill my dogs will either die or kill me first.
The days of Adolph Hitler were no very long ago and look at what his minions were able to accomplish. If it can happen in Germany it can happen here and the re-election of the WORST president ever doesn’t give me much faith in the American people. I would very much like to see the membership of Oath Keepers rise dramatically as that would be a sign that we are at the 75% mark. I hope to God you are right on this. The alternative truly sucks and that is a huge understatement.
I am desperately wanting to believe that our troops and officers will NOT take up arms against citizens and disarm them…I really do. However, I can NOT 100% believe that it will not happen. I am a law enforcement officer and have been so for 13 years. Many of my family are law enforcement as well. I know lots of cops, and see a huge difference in how they all think. There are the older guys (some my age now) that want power and position so badly, they will do whatever they are told if it means bars or oakleaves on their shoulders. On the flip side, there are the young bucks that are so willing to prove themselves, they will follow any order from anyone with those bars and oakleaves, if it can prove they are worthy. These young officers have blank moral slates. When power grabs become the name of the game, some men will do ANYTHING. Then, there are those that will do what they are told, even if they do not agree with the order, out of fear they will be cast out and become one of those that will be pushed around and no longer have any power or position, and no longer a means of providing for their families.
I know I could never fathom my turning my gun on another citizen and disarming them for no other reason other than they have a gun, and I also know many cops who feel as I do. But, I know that my beliefs are not that of all officers. Now, I don’t know every cop in the world, and I can only base my opinion on the limited number of officers and agencies I have worked with, known, and spoke with. To be honest, I think 75% may be high. Then again, my basis of opinion is limited to my small tiny universe.
Then, there is Hitler. I am a WWII buff and have read tons of books on the subject. Not just on the war itself or specific battles, but books on the men who were at the heart of the war. I am still amazed, intrigued and dumbfounded on the atrocities that were carried out in the name of a radical idea. An entire country of once great men, turned insane.
Hitler ruled by making everyone afraid and paranoid. The fear that you could become one of the tortured prisoners you now command over combined with the paranoia that ANYONE, even your supposed best friend, would turn you in, if you so much as even commented on an order given in a negative manner. This overwhelming control from above forced men of morals to do the most shameful of acts. So much so, that these horrible deeds became the norm. After a while, killing your fellow man was just a job. You followed orders and dispatched lives as if it were nothing. I am sure many german soldier’s souls grew black as stone and after a while, no longer could tell right from wrong. They did their jobs, and did whatever it took to drive away the pain of what they had done. Schnapps sales were probably at an all time high. Men who must have known they were going straight to hell and could do nothing to stop it. Hell, they probably got to the point they would welcome the torture of eternal hellfire over the numbing task of killing millions of innocents…but what could they do…what could they? That was what Hitler was able to do. And we all know that Hitler was not the only one. History is full of men like him. Heck, history is full of men that would make Hitler look like Mother Theresa by comparison.
What I have to believe at one time, were decent german children, who grew up to be decent men and woman, who somehow became soldiers and pro-nazi citizen, who all committed atrocities that would (and did) make a tough man cry. Men who would put babies in an oven for the sheer torture value of it, but still wear a belt buckle that says “Gott Mit Uns” (God is with us). How did these men call themselves “of GOD” and still do what they did? I don’t know the answer, but the fact remains, it happened and could again.
Men that would kill millions of innocents for what reason? Some out of fear of disobeying orders, some for the simple reason they were only following orders, and some for sadistic joy. Pick your reason, but way too many did as they were ordered. An entire country gone insane. I am sure there were some that chose not to follow these outrageous orders, but I bet they soon found themselves on the front-lines of battle and soon dead very quickly, if not in prison.
Human kind has been killing each other since the beginning of time. I bet we will be killing each other hundreds of generations from now as well. I have nothing but the best of hope for humanity, but I am a realist. I know what man is capable of. Even good men if they are pushed too far or placed in fear for themselves or even more so, their families. (Look at the movie 48 hours. I think this may be true for many men. Good men can be made bad and vice versa. In every man, there is a hero and a sinner. Either one can be brought out of them)
Finally, there is NOTHING more dangerous than an ambitious man with no moral character. For he will do the unthinkable if it benefits him. Men are programmed to survive. And if survival means taking out the buy next to you, there are more than a few that will oblige.
So, I HOPE and PRAY that there are men like me, who took their oath seriously. However, I am a rare breed. I am not motivated by money, or by power. I am able to walk away and support myself by other means if necessary. I will always be okay. However, there are not many other officers who know how to do anything else or could make a living even close to what their current jobs offer them, if they could not remain in law enforcement. They love the power they have, and will do, unquestioning, anything they are told, as long as it means a good report in their file and a possible bright career ahead of them.
We have all seen the video of the asshole cop abusing his power and showing the world what a tough guy he is. There are quite a number of these guys out there. The only thing keeping them in check is the fear of losing their jobs (and sometimes that doesn’t even work), or other officers and superiors that have a moral compass to guide them. Imagine if we change the leadership of an agency. Imagine if those at the top start to reward “bad” behavior. Write up the guys who refuse to follow EVERY SINGLE order, and place them in IA for everything. They will end up, one by one, gone. Either thy will eventually quit, change careers, or fade into the background, never bucking the system again, or retire out. Combine this with the way they hire new recruits. A new recruit is examined from every angle, including psych testing that is quite accurate and thorough. They know who will follow orders and who has a sadistic streak and who will do what is right all the time and who will not. It would not be too difficult for those in leadership with ill intentions, to hire enough of those that are predictable followers and psychopaths, and mold them into the modern equivalent of the SS. An agency of unquestioning followers would result. It would not be too much of a stretch from there to convince an entire agency that it is quite okay to fire upon citizens, without question. That is MANKIND…it can be done. I am not saying it will happen…only that it can if someone with enough power wants it.
To say that officers and soldiers could be forced to turn on their own fellow citizens RIGHT NOW…TODAY, I would say “Never Happen”. But, if the requisite steps were to be taken to change the attitude and dynamics of an entire law enforcement agency, or a battalion of soldiers, I bet it would be only a matter of a few years, before I could change my opinion. That is why Hitler went for the children and why our liberal leaders do so as well. We all see what our schools are doing to our children. I has been going on for a long time now.
Just like all of those young german children in the 1930’s, they became Hitler’s goons in the early 40’s. These children grew up and became soldiers for Hitler who no longer thought for themselves, knew right from wrong, and did as they were told, unquestioningly. Whether it was by fear, sense of duty, or sheer joy, they committed those acts, because that was how they were raised (programmed). Thank God the Allies stopped them. Luckily, they were stopped. Hell, I am sure that many of them that survived the war, even came to their senses and truly regretted the horrors they had committed. But, that does not change what they did. The time of Hitler (and stalin, and every other murderous dictator) was not that long ago and IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.
Again, I know what I would do and I know what quite a number of my other compatriots would do as well. But I can not speak for every single officer or soldier. I know MAN is a complex beast capable of great good and great horror. I also know that good does not always win. I also have a good idea of what obama and his minions want and I think there is nothing they will not try in order to accomplish their goals. I do not feel as confident about our future as long as we are controlled by ambitious men with evil minds. I can only hope that good triumphs.
After MUCH thought and conversation with friends that I know and trust for their leadership I have decided that The TexasFred Blog WILL GO ON, but there will be a few changes in doing so.
ANYONE that comes to the blog and bashes our Police or Troops will be banned immediately.
ANYONE that is so damned stupid that they would come to ME and try to use Alex Jones, InfoWars, PrisonPlanet or some anarchist site as citation against one of my posts will be BANNED immediately…
The negative BULLSHIT ends NOW!
If you can PROVE me wrong, I can accept that and will readily acknowledge it too, but the outright NEGATIVE BULLSHIT has got to stop…
If you are in New York, California, Oregon or Washington, I am sorry for you, but don’t try to make the rest of America wear the Libtard screed that YOUR states are so well known for… If YOU live in those states YOU are as responsible for their demise as anyone.. Sorry, it sucks to be YOU but don’t come to MY blog and try to spread that BS around..
Thank you to ALL of my loyal, sane, dedicated and determined friends and readers that DO have the GUTS to stand, unafraid, for what is RIGHT!
And yes, I am in Fornicalia.
I submit: it isn’t a matter of guts; it’s a matter of what I see.
But everything is regional.
BZ
Well, I am one of those who have been worried about this ammo buy and you could very well be right that I am worried about nothing because when push comes to shove I don’t believe the military will turn on the American people.
There could be a much different reason for the ammo buys: Perhaps the government knows it cannot implement the gun control it seeks and is instead buying up all the ammo it can so that it will be unavailable to the American people thus creating a shortage and driving up the price of ammo. We may be able to keep our guns but what good are they if the ammo is not available or is too expensive to afford?
I have a question:
Has the federal government ever before conducted such an ammunition buy-up?
Maybe not this much but the Feds use HUGE numbers of rounds, they practice with what they shoot and as far as I know nearly all, if not ALL agencies carry the same caliber sidearm, thus the HUGE order…
If it weren’t for Alex Jones, InfoWars, Prison Planet and some of the most paranoid people the RIGHT could ever have, this BS wouldn’t even be an issue…
We have well respected Conservatives that are going on and on about Obama and buying into the Alex Jones insanity like the Dems did with all of their bullshit about George W. Bush… The same exact rants, FEMA Child Army, Death Camps, FEMA Coffins, all the same stuff, except now it’s people on the RIGHT sounding STUPID!
I’d like to think that the following is true:
And, at this point, it may well be true.
But I’ve learned recently that a lot of people will do JUST ABOUT ANYTHING to keep their jobs, to feed their families, to pay their kids’ college tuition.
For example, one of the finest families I know — a family with a pro-life — is working for HHS. I find that quite a non-sequitur.
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