The Black Dilemma

If you’re an overly sensitive tree-hugger, Libber, PETA person or if you are a person that blames all the failures in the Black communities on *White Privilege* then this story is going to make your tiny little brain blow up, but if you’re an honest American that loves this nation, if you are an every day hard working man or woman, no matter what color you are, this post is going to leave you with a huge TRUTH BOMB.

You may use it as you see fit, but remember; use it responsibly!

The Black Dilemma

Democrats in Power

“For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of.

There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.

Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.

Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson and Baltimore, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.

But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it’s a problem of culture, as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.

But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country’s violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.*

Our leaders don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. *They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity.*

The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.

You can’t legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can’t give to anybody anything that the government doesn’t first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don’t have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

Ian Duncan — The Baltimore Sun, May 30, 2015

An additional message from TexasFred: according to some online sources this commentary was NOT published in the Baltimore Sun. It was supposedly published elsewhere and attributed to several different authors. I presented it as I got it, you see, I don’t give a DAMN where it came from or WHO wrote it, it’s still a tremendous piece of TRUTH!

I would love to read your comments on this one.

I know, personally KNOW successful and talented Black people, some are my neighbors and friends, but they are not a part of the typical Black community.

I also see the incredible crimes that are committed in the Black communities, areas where the residents are primarily, almost exclusively Black, and I shake my head in disbelief.

Every time a Black thug, ghetto rat, whatever you want to call them, every time they get arrested it’s NOT because they are criminals that have been caught in the act, it is because they are Black and the Police are ALL racists. That’s what the community organizers are going to tell you.

As stated in the original piece, the Black community as a whole does NOT accept responsibility for their actions, and until they DO, and until they *MAN UP* and change their own society and its actions, nothing will EVER improve.

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28 Responses to The Black Dilemma

  1. Dave says:

    I would think that it should be easy to ascertain the origin of this essay. It breaks my heart to read it and realize that it is true. Absolutely true. I had a “run-in” within the past week where I was actually frightened by the behavior of a car full of young black males who had parked in a handicapped parking slot. All I did was look at the driver and I was yelled at in the most corrosive way. They scared me. It was in front of the post office and they had almost hit me as I walked in with several packages for mailing. When I came out of the building, they were still there (no placard BTW). I looked, wondering to myself who had been driving so carelessly as to come within inches of my foot? I guess I shouldn’t have wondered.

    • TexasFred says:

      Happenings like this all over the nation, the actions of a few effect the public image of the rest… A lot like the *one bad cop* thing; he doesn’t represent ALL cops but you can’t convince some people of that… You know, like the jerks in the car that nearly hit you…

  2. One Citizen Speaking says:

    If you look closely, you will find that Black Liberation Theology is based on creating communist-style revolution and the entire movement is based on the tenets of failed socialism. (1) The collective is more important than the individual. (2) The masses are interchangeable and unexceptional. (3) The masses must be managed by an enlightened elite to “conserve” planetary resources and insure the survival of mankind. (4) These are the people who gave us population control and eugenics through birth control, abortion on demand, and non-reproductive homosexuality. (5) These are the people who want to go backwards because industrialized economies pose a greater threat to the planet — and their power.

    Of course, these centrally planned actions of the “elite” demand we be disarmed and subservient because of the increasing totalitarian needs to control the masses. At some point, “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” — the very essence of entitlement culture grows old for the producers and the takers become progressively more demanding.

    The politics does not recognize technological solutions that grow people, economies, and standard of living because their power and profits are created from managing and controlling real or imagined scarcity.

    One need only look at real African-Americans or Blacks from other countries, not indigenous blacks, to see how they thrive and prosper in this country. Even those who self-locate in ghettos. They become entrepreneurial. And, they get the hell out of drug and gang ridden Dodge when possible. They don’t make fun of education. They don’t bully or denigrate others who are good students or achieve success.

    You may wish to look at the sociological implications by reading a book written by Dr. Lenton Aikins: “While African Americans Slept: Leadership By Parasites” to see the truth as written by a well-credentialed professor and civil rights attorney.

    As long as the useful idiots are taught to avoid assimilation, think differently as victims, set themselves apart by language, dress, and custom, they will continue to be surprised that corporate or commercial America doesn’t have time for their bullshit.

    How effin’ stupid is it when the black community destroys the police infrastructure that is needed to protect them against the gangs — urban domestic terrorists. But, then again, if you don’t keep the dung heap in turmoil, the leadership has nothing to promise.

    What I find amazing is that so many black soldiers, who were given real responsibilities with men and materiel, return to this crap and do not change it by providing leadership.

    • TexasFred says:

      What I find amazing is that so many black soldiers, who were given real responsibilities with men and materiel, return to this crap and do not change it by providing leadership.

      They get back in the pack and resort to *pack mentality*… There are of course, a few exceptions, look at Allen West for instance…

      • Wayne says:

        I couldn’t have said it any better. The so called black, ghetto culture is what destroys any young person of color that may be inspired to improve his/her lot in life. If it imitates “whitey” it is anti black.

  3. Kiril Kundurazieff says:

    A stunning piece, my friend…

    The thing about it is that the Left. white and black, have called blacks who have written along these lines over the years “Uncle Tom’s” and whites who have done the same “racists and haters”…all because they can’t handle the truths these people expose.

    Like you, I know, personally KNOW successful and talented Black people… some were my neighbors and are friends, but they are not a part of the typical Black community.

    From age 9 to 38 I grew up and lived in a black community that had its issues and disfunction, nothing near like Detroit, Chicago, or Watts, but bad enough, yet I saw people move out of and beyond that to become successful and knew a black man, the legendary Willie White, who made it his life’s work to make this community the best it could be and inspire its youth to move beyond their difficulties…

    The black community, across this nation has always had such men and women, but needs more of them and fewer of the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Sheila Jackson Lee.

  4. BobF says:

    Outstanding article and comments!!

  5. Ron Stabb says:

    Good article. The rate of black unwed mothers now stands at a staggering 72%.

    That might have something to do with it.

    Blacks were better off when they were slaves living on a plantation.

    Some forty-five years ago I pumped gas in Chester, Pa. It was a nice working class town with very few blacks. It is now the 2nd most dangerous city in America. You don’t dare drive into town without a gun.

    Take a short ride across the Delaware river to Camden NJ and low and behold you now are in the most dangerous city in America.

    I didn’t put the blacks there. They moved in and I moved out like the rest of the white folks I know to escape the crime committed by blacks.

    Some of my best friends are black. They work and struggle to raise a family and live by the law just like I did. They are a minority within a minority.

    You would think with Obama as the first black president thinks might have changed for the better. Race relations are now the worst I’ve seen in my lifetime.

    He’s a fool followed by a lot of other fools.

  6. dekare says:

    “The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others – but by their own hatred of non-blacks.*”

    Says it all. Yet pointing this out makes all who do it a racist. And yes, whites ARE growing weary of the accusations, the attitudes, and the appreciation for what we are trying to do for them.

    There will be a time, if things do not change, where whites will say enuff is enuff, and labels of racism be damned. I can see the blacks itching for a chance to take on whitey, but they do not realize, that they may think they are tough, but they WILL LOSE. They lack the discipline, the ability, or the desire to win a drawn out battle if one should occur. Combined with their shooting techniques, will assure a victory for the good guys.

    When they were segregated, they hated it. When we invited them in, they hated it. I think that blacks have no idea WTF they want. I think they simply want to do nothing, and get free living for it, and all of it blamed on what happened to their Great x6 grandparents.

    I would love to see what would happen if all blacks woke up the tomorrow and were white. Would they take advantage of all the opportunities of being white that they claim we have? What would they blame their inability to function in civilized society be at this point? Their problem is not the color of their skin, or how THEY THINK whites treat them…it is their horrific attitudes. All races were persecuted at one time. The jews, the asians, the pollocks, the irish, the italians, and on and on. Yet every one of these races went on the succeed. Blacks are the only ones to be worse off every generation. Why is this? More importantly, how do we break this cycle? How do we make the story of the successful black person the rule and not the exception?

    …and that is the million dollar question.

    Thing is, things cannot continue as they are. Something will have to give sooner or later. And I can assure you, the blacks will not win. If given the choice to join us in life or fight us…blacks choose fight everytime. Why?

    They say the biggest step in solving any problem is first recognizing there is a problem. Blacks have NOT done this crucial step in making life better for all blacks. They blame white people, racism, history, flags, white founding fathers, the judicial system, the prison system, the school system, and on and on and on. When will they look in the mirror and realize they are their own worst enemy. That $harptongue, jack$on, and all the other race baiting ilk are NOT their friends?

    If only they would realize this, and change that horrible attitude of theirs. If they did this, within no time, things would be amazingly better for them. But that requires admitting they were wrong, and they will NEVER do that. Black parents (or parent as in singular) refuse to raise their kids to break this cycle.

    What I find nauseating is that single black mothers are shown in movies and on TV as trying to be wonderful parents trying to raise their children to be model citizens. All of these mothers are portrayed by light skinned white looking straighthaired black mothers who work three jobs and are victims of society and have done nothing wrong. That is BS. In reality, 99 our of a hundred single black mothers are NOTHING like we are shown by Hollywood. They are ignorant, disgusting, nappy headed, fat leeches going from man to man, burping out nigglettes every 10 months in order to bilk the system for $200 for each chillun they produce. They drain society, and provide nothing in return…and claim that someone needs to take cares of my kidz…as in you and me the taxpayer.

    Blacks say they want an open and honest discussion on racism. BULLFRICKINGSH*T!!!! They do NOT want this. They want whitey to admit he was wrong, and give them reparations. Anything else is racism in their eyes. So how do we solve a problem that the moment any person points out the obvious, is destroyed? We can’t. And that is it in a nutshell.

    Politicians need a bloc of voters who are dumb as f&^k and will faithfully vote for them. Why would any democrat solve the black issue when the truth is, if they did, these people would turn against them and vote republican. After all, everyone is a democrat until they get a job, buy a house, have kids in school, and start paying taxes. As soon as that happens, they quit voting democrat. So, there is no desire to fix blacks. Broken, poor, uneducated, attitude carrying blacks are the democrats best friend.

    I do not see a successful end to this black problem. It was said Lincoln was going to ship all of the freed slaves out of America, as even he realized that there would NEVER be living with them. Lincoln stated that the resentment would be too great and would never end. That the cultures were too far apart to ever come to any reasonable living arrangement. Sadly, Lincoln was killed before he could implement this program. JW Booth did more harm to American than anyone.

    So, what happens? We can’t fix this issue. And it is getting worse. Not just in terms of money for programs and prisons that are starting to cripple the economy, but in violence. There are only two possible outcomes. Whites will continue this PC nonsense until they create a society where whites are the minority, in which time, I guarantee you, whites will NOT be treated as decently by blacks as blacks are currently treated by whites. I assure you this beyond all doubt. Or, whites get fed up, blacks create an uprising, and we end up crushing them once and for all, and killing them or shipping them out of our country. I do NOT see any other outcome. Whites and the grand majority of blacks living in perfect harmony, as a norm…will never happen.

    Is there another possible outcome I have overlooked? Am I too jaded (maybe?). or am I a racist? Or…am I right?

    I wonder.

  7. Wayne says:

    Thanks for posting this Fred. I can’t add a darn thing to this discussion.

  8. cary says:

    Between Fred, dekare, and the rest of the comments, I really have nothing to add. Very well said, and like you said, Fred, a Truth Bomb is there ever was one.

  9. Ron in Ohio says:

    And for what it’s worth, Snopes (Piss be upon them too) has said this is not from the Baltimore Sun. I checked-out the link they provided @ and they were right. Snopes says;

    While many online postings of the above-displayed article in June 2015 claimed that it had been recently published in Baltimore Sun, this article has actually been circulating on the Internet since at least September 2014, when it was published under the title “Ten Percent Is Not Enough” in the American Renaissance blog.

    ( Which, by their archives, shows it was posted on 09/23/’14 and is still the same as Texas Fred quoted. only the attribution has changed in 10 months by well-meaning but ignorant re-posters. And, on that note, just read some of the comments on the site for prime examples of the difference between facts and ignorance)

    The American Renaissance posting was originally attributed to Anthony Bryan; but his name was stripped from versions shared via Internet forums, craigslist postings, and comments sections of several race-related articles. Several different authorial names have been attached to the piece, including “John S. Mosby” (a Confederate cavalry officer) and “Edmund Hughes,” but the article didn’t truly go viral until after the Baltimore Sun attribution was tacked on.

    My wife is alive today is because of the work of a brilliant, black Cardiovascular Surgeon who hailed from Detroit and an an equally brilliant Cardiothoracic Surgeon from Creighton Univ. in Omaha, Nebraska of Polish background who teamed-up on a “break-thru” procedure almost a year ago. I would deem them both “1%-ers” of any and all races and ethnic backgrounds. So, In my eyes it pretty much validates what the original writer and Texas Fred both have stated, ignoring the “all Nigger” rants of some of the commenters to the original article at the AMREN link I referred to.

  10. Braden Lynch says:

    On a side note, I’m appalled by the strange desire of white kids to listen to rap (the original name for hip hop “crap” music) and to wear their pants down low which was spawned by prison bitches. They have no experience with the drug gang lifestyle of the inner city and yet celebrate it. It’s weird to embrace an utterly low class, violent and self-destructive lifestyle.

    Regarding success, it requires each individual to take personal responsibility for their actions, attitude, conduct, and demeanor. This applies to everyone regardless of their race, age, sex, and so on. If you act poorly, do not expect people to treat you well.

    A color blind society would be ideal and each of us can help by not being fixated on it.

    • Ron Stabb says:

      Indeed. The “Wigger” thing sets me off too.

    • TexasFred says:

      A color blind society is an impossibility… Since mankind came to be, since the animals came to be, there has, and always WILL BE a difference…

      • dekare says:

        And that is what I do NOT understand. We are supposed to embrace diversity, and celebrate our differences. Our different outlooks, and our different cultures, and recognize that all of us are unique and offer a different perspective on things, a different approach, a difference on so many levels….

        But then we set the rules that insist we all be treated the same. WTF?

        Woman claim that they offer a different, and often more compassionate attitude on the way things are done. But if I treat a woman different than a man…well, I am wrong and should be destroyed. What if the situation, say a promotion, requires a hard nosed asshole that will get the job done and not worry about how it makes his opponents feel about what needed to happen? and I hire a man for the job? Women would be pissed off at me. But why? I hired the best man for the job. Somehow, we are supposed to recognize that women offer a softer outlook as opposed to men, but when it comes to the work world, I am not supposed to point this out.

        This is tantamount to God making man so that he has a strong desire to seek knowledge, and then tells him not to eat the apple. The conflicts are insane.

        And sadly, as the saying goes, you can take the nigger out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the nigger. If I see a gold toothed, doorag wearing, pants falling down, gang tattoos all over the place, compounded by this HUMONGOUS chip on their shoulder against all things white, but I am not supposed to form an opinion on this person. Why not?

        That person has advertised to the world who he is, and what he is all about, but I have to ignore this glaring statement, and believe he is a good boy, when the truth is, he is a thug. I do not need to talk to him, or hear his story, or anything to know that his likelihood to commit a crime or harm me is much greater than normal.

        And why is it when a white person points this out, he is a horrible racist and should be ruined?

        I promote white pride, I am on par with the grand pooba of the KKK, yet blacks promote black pride, and they are celebrated.

        Whites are racists, and blacks are just keepin it real.

        Double standards where whitey NEVER wins. We must be the first “species” that has undertaken an attitude and actions that will lead to our own destruction.

        Look at all of the other non-white males, that propagate themselves. (blacks, asians, hispanics, gays and lesbians, cripples, and all other “special” interest labels that people create for themselves. Now, I am not even allowed to ignore it or have no opinion on any of them. I MUST openly claim I am all for whatever lifestyle they choose for themselves. I must claim that being gay is okay, that being a black thug is fine, that being pro hispanic must be pushed, that women must be empowered at all costs, and that there are no losers, and on and on, or I am the worst person in the world. I am made to feel like I am the minority, when I am sure I am not.

        The minority is those whites that openly express their resentment to these new rules being forced upon us.

        People are different. There is a “more likely than not” outcome to certain types of people. Some people are more likely than not, to become successful. More likely than not to live their life in peace, more likely than not to tell others how to live, and more likely than not to end up dead or in prison. It’s not racism, sexism, misogyny, any-a-phobia, or ism…its plain statistics.

        And when 13% of the population commit over 70% of all violent crime, and when minorities make up the majority of prison populations, well, that is NOT racism. That is a problem. And the problem is that minorities and blacks are predisposed to harm others. The problem is within themselves, their beliefs, their cultures, their upbringing, their parenting and so on. It has nothing to do with white people. ANYTHING that white people do is IN RESPONSE to this negative behavior, and not the cause of it. As if somehow, I am supposed to believe that blacks commit crimes because white people are racists? That somehow, there is a white conspiracy to fill prisons with blacks, because why? As if whites have nothing better to do than waste time and money building prisons and rounding up blacks.

        But that is what they believe. And worse, that is what everyone is supposed to believe. Cops do not resent black people because of the color of their skin. They resent them because they are criminals.

        When faced with two decisions, I have to go with the one that makes sense.

        Embracing diversity has led us to this. This and PC will be the death of us. And sadly, we are not allowed to fix this. It’s not unlike someone dying of cancer but not being allowed to eradicate the cancer. Hell, we aren’t even allowed to claim that cancer is the issue and the reason the person is dying. How stupid is that?

        I did not create this. Liberals and progressives did. And worst of all, young people, including the majority of whites, allowed this to happen. They embraced the enemy, not seeing its true intent. They did nothing to stop this, and even helped them. They opened the gates to the enemy. And they will suffer for it. If they think that one day, that blacks or hispanics, or whoever the next “power” group is, that they will be as compassionate as we are, they are in for a surprise.

        Our differences have not made us stronger. The division is destroying us. History has proven that diversity never works, but like communism, there are those that believe it will, if only they get to implement it. And one day, there will be a history lesson about America, a once great and powerful nation, like Rome, that fell.

        Yeahhhh diversity.

        And that is my rant…

        • Ron Stabb says:

          “The minority is those whites that openly express their resentment to these new rules being forced upon us.”
          We are them.

  11. mrchuck says:

    I am just absolutely tired of reading about black on white crime. Yeah, white people being assaulted, beat to crap, even some dead from these beatings by black Negros, with no provocation at all. Negro male just cold cocks some white person, and then all blacks screech and stomp this white person.

    I’m not worried about myself. I’m a retired Federal Law Officer and am always armed, alert, and ready to commence battle.

    When I have to drive into Dallas thru the ghettos, My 45 auto is in my lap.
    Old habits, tried and true.

    Yes, a race war is about to explode in the D-FW area, and not where I live.

    I do not eat where a black person works. I don’t want their spit or feces in my food.

    I will not start a race war, but I’ll help end it.

    • TexasFred says:

      Negro male just cold cocks some white person, and then all blacks screech and stomp this white person

      Just like a bunch of smelly-assed baboons…

      Can’t disagree with so much as one word, excellent description of traveling in the DFW area these days…

  12. the unit says:

    Ah, cold cocked. A term that has endured since before I was born. I like it. Not Polar Bear or Knock Out Game, but able to cold cock. I could and still can, well on certain days. I just go to the store when I feel good, and don’t get out until I look around a bit. Then when I do, come on in if one wants the message, a knuckle sandwich (that from old Navy days). Appreciate discourse with those who remember it. 🙂

  13. Bloviating Zeppelinq says:

    One of the largest things that doomed cultures lack is introspection and self-examination. This requires not only self-awareness but an amount of education, which by and large most urban blacks not only do not seem to possess but apparently have no interest in acquiring. That mindset does not allow for alternate propositions or methods. To a degree various corruptive cultures are also responsible for the overall decline of this nation. The “gangbanger” culture has been more corruptive than most and runs across all — and I mean ALL — ethnicities. There is Mexican rap, there is Tongan rap, there is Icelandic rap.

    The corruption has been so terribly inculcated over the years that most urban blacks are completely unaware that those who “promise more” to blacks are actually their slavemasters. The Demorats, under Johnson’s “Great Society” helped to remove the black male from the family equation by dint of cash promised to young black mothers without fathers. When blacks discovered they could get cash in certain non-familial situations and, further, acquire more cash with more children, the culture was on its way down. This, of course, bled over into the rest of the nation and helped to create the dooming entitlement philosophy.

    On every level in this nation, it is going to take a crash of almost biblical proportions before Americans wake up and realize what they’ve done to our once-strong country. Yes, it was an experiment but the experiment has since lost its way and is, as you clearly realize, entire rudderless and leaderless.

    Yes, we have managers and bean counters and rulers, but we have no leaders and damned few inspirers of men and women save on smaller and more personal levels.


  14. Bob A. says:

    I did an excerpt and linked back for the entire post.
    Bob A.

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