TexasFred explains the benefit of a LARGE Caliber Handgun
June 19th, 2009 . by TexasFredTexasFred explains the benefit of a LARGE Caliber Handgun
This is a REAL gun, a .45 ACP. It is a thing of beauty. It is a work of art. It has STOPPING POWER. It does NOT leave wounded individuals lying around the area of operations!
Real men carry .45′s. Serious female shooters carry .45′s. Any shooter that wants the confidence that he has a pistol that WILL get the job done with one center mass hit carries a .45ACP. The caption says it ALL!
This is a 9MM. It is a PIMP pistol. If you have to shoot a PCP head, an Angel Duster, you’ll have to shoot him with 9 or 10 rounds and hope he falls out before he takes it away from you and shoots YOU with it! And again, the caption on the picture below says it all! 
Actually, calling the 9MM a PIMP pistol is an insult to pimps. Any self respecting pimp got his girls busy so he could have him a .40 something. It’s a prestige thing, a 40oz Malt Liquor and a .40 caliber pistol. That is a well balanced pimp. 
Well Fred, I like my .40, but when I went to the range last week, some guy was shooting a real cannon, like a .50 caliber something. Made more noise than I’ve ever heard in my short time.
Have you read this article or are you aware of the incident?
There seem to be a whole list of issues with this case. The homeowners wife screams and wakes him; he gets his gun and confronts the person in his house and tries to hold him for the police; the kid runs away; the homeowner sets out to chase (out of the house and down the street) and then gets off 5 shots (at least he hits with 5 rounds). However, the kid who broke in didn’t steal anything, “they” argue that he thought it was his own house since it looked similar (at 2am) and then the homeowner shot him 5 times running down the block after him.
Conclusion: homeowner hesitated when he confronted the kid in the first place; once the kid bolted and left the house without stealing anything, the DA is saying that Castle Doctrine didn’t apply anymore. Then of course there is the question of 5 shots (I think attributable to anger and adrenaline).
What do you think?
Well, in Pasadena he’d be a hero I guess, Joe Horn was, he killed 2 bad guys that hadn’t even broken into HIS home…
The interpretation of the Castle Doctrine is apparently pretty broad…
Me personally, if they are IN my house, they had best give their souls to God because their worthless asses belong to ME, but if they make it OUT the door and there is NO theft and there has been NO physical injury to me or the wife, I am NOT going charging into the night busting caps…
The .45 ACP is a wonderful pistol. I LOVED shooting it in the Army.
Also nice with plenty of stopping power is the .44 Magnum and the .357 Magnum but the .357 is effective at only about 1/2 the range unless you are a really good shot with a pistol.
On the other hand, I remember the M-1 Garand rather fondly, and as far as that goes, how about a .50 caliber Barrett?
Great post Fred!
Whilst in Patrol I carried a Sig Sauer P220, .45 cal, single-stack, with the euro release. I got a great deal on it. I got used to pulling the mag release on the butt well instead of pushing a frame release button. Very simple, actually.
I also carried SIX additional magazines on my Sam Browne pouches. And a Ruger .44 snubbie in my boot.
My wife bought me a beautiful stainless Sig P239 with Hogue grips in 2004 for off-duty carry, 8-rounds in the mag, one down the pipe. I can put that gun anywhere.
If I find my fat ass back in Patrol, I’ll ONCE AGAIN carry that single-stack Sig P220 in .45 cal.
BZ
An old Texas Ranger was being interviewed and the reporter saw the 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked if it was a .45 to which the Ranger replied, “Yes, it IS a .45″
The reporter then asked the Ranger WHY he carried a .45, to which the Ranger replied, “Because they don’t make a .46″
’nuff said!!
It’s amazing the number of people that attempt to argue against the time proven .45acp. Add premium hollow points such as Winchester Ranger SXT +P or Gold Dot +P and you have a cartridge/gun combo that needs no excuses. I personally like double stack 1911s such as Para Ordnance because they fit my big paws better. Anybody that says a .45 “kicks too much” is a wuss or is in serious need of some quality training.
Pretty much.
Except that I’ve not only fired but confiscated on suspects Desert Eagles and SW revolvers and Thompsons.
.45 is about the hand-controllable limit. I’ll readily admit it’s MY limit.
BZ
I carry a S&W Model 457 in 45acp. older model so it is steel, nice to have a litle weight in a 45. Very good for a concealed carry.
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These are mine. The Para is for concealed carry and is loaded with 230 grain Hydra-Shocks. The FNP is where I can get it fast during the night and is loaded with 15 rounds of 230 grain Gold Dots.
http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=36
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF020&gid=FNG001&mid=FNM0061
I agree with you Fred. I carry an XD .45 loaded with 230 Grain Federal HS. I also carry a compact 1911 on occasion, also with Federal HS. I love my 1911s….tha’s all I used to carry. But….that XD shoots might good….and….the 13 + 1 is really hard to beat. If i carry two mags also, I have 40 rounds. Not too shabby! I’ve been looking around for a backup and haven’t found anything I like. Was looking at Ruger’s new LCR at the last gunshow, but then heard about a new line of revolvers Charter’s coming out with….one in 9mm, one in 40 S&W…and, praise be, one in .45acp.Cool! Don’t know if they’re out yet or not. I’ve heard the .45 will be on their Bulldog frame. Not too shabby. I guess I’ll wait to see what they’re like before I make my final decision on a backup. Nice chatting with you folks.
KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY
Hell, I have a couple of .357′s, my Sig line on the old gun forum was *My backup is a 357*, that P-220 BZ refers to is a great weapon, it just doesn’t pack enough bullets, that’s why I like the XD-45, 13+1 and as Stalkingbear said, that Para Ordnance is no slouch…
I have carried a .45 for years, I carried some other stuff too, but I have only had one pistol ever damn near get me killed and it was the only 9mm and the only Glock I have ever had.. It had a bad habit of stove piping every 5th or 6th round, and before ANYONE goes off on that shit about shooting it with a loose wrist, ya better think again, I shoot a .44 MAG one handed, I shoot a .45, 1911′s and Springfield, one handed, I don’t shoot LOOSE, I have a hell of a grip, that freaking Glock would stove pipe when shot from a bench mount in a vise, it was a piece of shit and it ruined me as far a Glocks are concerned.. And Glock won’t tell you this but they KNOW that some of their pistols DO have that trait, they make excuses, it’s ALWAYS a loose wrist on the shooter..
Most folks buy that excuse, my son did, until a Glock Rep and armorer were on the range trying to sell the Dept my son is on some new Glocks…
These Glock *whiz kids* had one that was stove piping every 5th or 6th round, PRO Glock guys… My son asked em, “Say, are you limp wristed or was my Dad right in all he told me about Glocks??” They were NOT happy with him, and then they saw the XD-45 Tactical HE carries…
9mm is a totally useless POS bullet at it’s best. A .40 is pretty adequate but a .45 loaded with the rounds mentioned above, and for me with 230gr Remington Golden Sabers, it’s an awesome stopper..
I know there are still Departments that carry a 9mm, personally, I would find me another job before I’d carry something that may or may not stop some asshole trying to kill me or others…
Yep, Fred, that 1911, 45ACP is one beautiful weapon. I have a Model 80. Some bastard stole my Model 70 from a rental storage shed. To take care of the thief I’m looking for a pistole that will accommodate my thumb in the barrel end. Belt feed would be all right for the task. You have mentioned 9mm sidearms. I have a Beretta, like our armed forces use, and a Ruger P89, 9mm. Personally, I prefer the Ruger. It goes in the bedside stand, just right. Incidentally, I have had hollow point 45ACP rounds stick in the just-about-in-the-firing chamber position—on the edge of the firing chamber lip, so I’m partial to the ball stuff. Ii just LOVE the hitting power of the .45ACP. I know. I know, you’re supposed to have a slanted ramp on the bottom edge of the barrel entrance. My Model 80 does but hollow points will still stick/jam.
Doc, I am not at all familiar with these NEW 1911′s and their variations, but I know my REAL 1911, and my Series 70 neither one liked hollow points, even after being ramped and throated…
The new 45′s, like the Springfields, the XD’s, are made for hollow points, and they feed like a champ, partly because of the ramps and partly because of the shape of the bullet itself…
If I were to carry a 1911, or a Series 70/80, I would still carry ball ammo, but I am not going to carry a 7+1 .45 with ball ammo when I can carry 13+1 in a .45 and it’s high powered hollow points the same weight as the ball, 230gr.
The only hollow point round my Combat Commander will feed reliably is the Federal Hydra-Shock. The gun has had a ramp and throat job but still noting but the Hydra-Shocks will feel reliably. I gave it to my son as a gift and he only uses hardball.
Here’s a site that has some very good info on the 1911.
http://www.sightm1911.com/index.htm
Hydra Shok’s Rock in pistols that refuse to feed other fodder. That said, a .45 hardball will drop anyone the first time, every time with the following caveat. You have to do your part. I’m told that Gold Dots are just as, if not more reliable in older .45ACP semi auto pistols as well.
I messed up and got the threads confused… My “Glock” response is over on the previous thread! LMAO!
My all time favorite 1911 was made by Singer the sewing machine company for service in WW 2. It was tricked out by a local gunsmith of some little bit of fame, and it NEVER failed to fire. PERIOD.
My current favorite in semi auto configuration that you can just go out and buy is the Kimber line. My favs..? If you have the coin; Les Bauer, Wilson Combat, and Kimber Custom. In no particular order. Special attention; the SIG line is first class, and damned near makes it to the top three on my list. Additional training puts the Sig 220 series right up with the rest!
Stay tuned folks, the StalkingBear Arms Combat Master is coming to your hometown soon!
Talk about stove-pipe! You’ll appreciate this, Fred. You’ll probably larf out loud. I had just purchased a huge .9mm Steyr GB with the double-stack mag and about 30,000 rounds in each mag. Damned thing was huge. I took it to the range, my very FIRST round piped. I performed the standard clear, TAP, RACK and GO, another stove-pipe! And another and another!
It wasn’t until later that I finally realized: those assholes had applied the same exterior wrinkle-finish to the damned RAMP! I sold that sucker as fast as I could. It NEVER fed properly.
BZ
Because, Lord knows, we all want our pimps to be well balanced.
Me, personally, I want the bad guys loaded up with Lorcans and Bersas, shooting with the gun held sideways.
Well I have a 9mm and it’s good for shooting Pimps and Thugs…Oh and I have a shotgun for when I need to go all Joe Horn on someone… We can’t carry guns out here, usually I just have my sling shot and a stick for protection.. oh and a condom, just in case I run into a hottie that is blind and horny LMAO!!
I have plans for a 40 or 45, I’ll have one in my possession before Holder makes them illegal…