Fighting rages as Karzai urges restraint from NATO
February 20th, 2010 . by TexasFredFighting rages as Karzai urges restraint from NATO
MARJAH, Afghanistan (AP) - U.S. Marines and Afghan soldiers advanced through poppy fields of Marjah on Saturday under withering gunfire from Taliban fighters shooting from mudbrick homes and compounds where families huddled in terror.
President Hamid Karzai urged NATO to do more to protect civilians during combat operations to secure Marjah, a southern Taliban stronghold and scene of the biggest allied ground assault of the eight-year war.
NATO forces have repeatedly said they want to prevent civilian casualties but acknowledged that it is not always possible. On Saturday, the alliance said its troops killed another civilian in the Marjah area, bringing the civilian death toll from the operation to at least 16.
Addressing the opening session of the Afghan parliament in Kabul, Karzai held up a picture of an 8-year-old girl who lost 12 relatives in a NATO rocket attack during the second day of the Marjah assault, which began Feb. 13.
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Karzai urges NATO to prevent civilian deaths
If Hamid Karzai was an American, he would be a tree hugging, dues paying member of PETA and any other group of moonbat idiots that he could gain membership to.
Karzai urges restraint from NATO? Here’s a thought… Let’s pull the hell OUT of Afghanistan and let Karzai see how long he stays alive with OUR presence removed.
No national leader wants to see his people killed, no SANE national leader. Karzai needs to take a step back and think about this for a minute, the Taliban is using his people as human shields in an effort to stop our troops from killing them. The Taliban is NOT stupid. They are backwards, they live in antiquity, but they are NOT stupid.
The Taliban knows that U.S. and NATO troops must adhere to strict rules of engagement in all combat actions. The Taliban is not hindered by such a polite decorum and etiquette.
They go about the business of WAR as WAR was intended to be conducted. In other words, they KILL their enemies and don’t give a damn who gets killed in the process.
We call it collateral damage, and we spend years apologizing for our actions, be those actions deliberate or accidental, and untold amounts of money are paid in reparations as WE lose face on the world stage.
“We need to reach the point where there are no civilian casualties,” Karzai said. “Our effort and our criticism will continue until we reach that goal.”
A noble thought sentiment Mr. Karzai, noble indeed. That sentiment offers further proof that my opinion in the earlier paragraphs of this story are quite likely very accurate concerning Karzai and his propensity to lean towards the liberal side of the aisle. In other words, Karzai wants to live in a fantasy world, a utopia where war is conducted and only the enemy gets killed. That is, sadly, something that will never happen.
Karzai’s Utopian dream is a NIGHTMARE for our troops. It gets them killed!
My take on OUR troops getting killed opposed to others in the war zone getting killed will likely anger the weak minds of libbers and faux Conservatives. If the enemy is firing at our troops, I don’t give a DAMN who gets killed BY our troops! If they are firing on OUR troops, by God return fire, massive return, and do so until no enemy remains. THAT is how you conduct a combat operation. That is how you end a battle. That is how you end a war!
I’ve said this same thing since 1970. War is NOT a game. It is not an endeavor for the weak or the squeamish. War is a nasty, deadly business and best left to warriors, not some bunch of PC politicos that want to score points in popular opinion polls as opposed to scoring confirmed kills.
Many of those “human shields” are doing so willingly.
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We’ve said it before, we’ll keep right on saying it….. Pull the troops, bomb the crap outta them, go back, do some mop up, and tell ‘em to get their crap together, or we’ll do it again, and again, and again, until they figure it out! Tired of PC BS getting our young men and women killed!
Those rules of engagement are getting our troops killed! DUMB!
JDL
Fred, he wants restraint because he wants it to last. Shit, he never had it so dam good. His 10th century ass is setting high and dry while we foot all the bills including precious lives and he don’t seem to give a shit about THOSE lives. I’m with Kate nuke the g’dnmd place to where a frikken lizard couldn’t live there. He reminds me of that south vietnamese leader during the VN war, that got all pissed off because he only had a Dc-3 to fly around in. He wanted something like AF One. The gall of that frikken greasey bastard. I can’t remember his name but the last I heard he left VN and was brought to the states
and owns a restaurant in southern california. Sounds about right. LOL
Probably voted of numbnuts too. LOL
Not killing civilians is a noble idea, but it is not practical when it comes to war. It is this very mindet that has us at war over there after nine years. We shoiuld have been in and out of there by now but we are too worried about collateral damage. How many of our heroes have been killed over there because of this mindset? Until we decide that total war is the way to go we keep fighting these stalemate and we will lose more Americans than we should have.
Give the pink eyed fella a cigar, Cuban, the real thing, not seed!
Here we go again, Fred and I disagree… So be it…
“If Hamid Karzai was an American, he would be a tree hugging, dues paying member of PETA ”
I beg to differ, that moonbat asshat ( Apologies to the real asshat moonbats in the world.)
He would be POTUS, probably have a name like Barack Huesein Obama too!
Napalm, it was good for Viet Nam, it would be good for Afghanistan as well as other places too!
The game of war will continue to be played by the politicians and they will be the only winners, while the troops in the field will be the losers. Its easy for those like Karzai and our leaders to sit back in their easy chairs and tell our men in the field how they should fight and what extra chances they must take in order to protect so-called innocents. If they were men enough to step into action you can bet they would do whatever to cover their sorry asses. The enemy is laughing and taunting us after they leave a house in Marjah where they just took a free shot before dropping their weapon and walking away—this is absolute bullshit! It does give one pause to question the commanders in the field for following such orders. Orders like this get our boys killed!
Patrick and Pink Eyes have it right. Napalm works! But some asshole decided it is inhumane and is now a nono included in the Geneva Convention. Who gives a damn how the enemy is killed as long as it gets done. It should be about efficiency and saving American lives. Time to carpet bomb the place including Karzai and bring the troops home. If those ragheads want to live in the tenth century; make their wish come true.