Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
November 29th, 2007 . by TexasFredThe Daily Mail — When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world’s only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China’s fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was “as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik” - a reference to the Soviet Union’s first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
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Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
Other than to point out the obvious, there is really not a lot to say, I will say this though, maybe I overlooked the story, the date is 10NOV and I was celebrating my birthday and that of the USMC and perhaps I just missed this one, or, maybe the MSM didn’t put it out there, I really don’t know, but I have to thank my blogging buddy Bloviating Zeppelin for posting it and making me aware of it’s existence…
This was a strategical faux pas of Biblical proportions, and I am certain that heads WILL roll, this is the type of thing that isn’t supposed to happen, ever…
I hope I honestly missed this story in the U.S. news sources, I rarely read British news sources, maybe I’d better start, and I haven’t been keeping up with Military.com too much lately, maybe they ran a post on it, in any case, it appears that The Daily Mail has some rather good sources…
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Any submarine is quiet when running on electric power but it is my understanding that the cavitation’s of the propellers is enough to give each sub an identifying sonar signature that is supposedly detectable at a fairly decent range, I may be wrong, I’m not as up on all of my Naval Warfare facts and figures as I need to be, but in any case, the boat can’t run on electric power forever, they have to surface to re-charge their battery system, maybe that was why they came up when and where they did, making a statement so to speak, ‘we have infiltrated you just that easily’, who knows, the Chinese mindset is totally different to ours…
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane’s Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: “It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
Well, all I can say is, it better be…
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Our Navy must of not took it too seriously, I was looking at the post I did and this incident happened a few weeks prior to the incident where the Kitty Hawk was denied to come into Hong Kong and there were family members that flew there to meet up with the sailors. Plus the Chinese denied a few other US Navy ships safe harbor during some very bad weather conditions just days earlier…
Why on Earth did the Navy go ahead and want to try to pull into Chinese waters after this?? Where the Chinese navy is home based?
That was a Hell of a wake up call, that happened on the 10th and 2 weeks later we’re trying to dock in Hong Kong? And the State Dept didn’t advise family members against traveling there because of this over aggressive move by the Chinese?
We got set up 3 times by those chinks within a month.
…or around the 10th.
I missed this story, entirely, as well. I knew that our Air Force had gone to hell in a handbag, but I did not realize the Navy was hot on it’s heels.
Methinks this is caused by the lack of military men (former Military men) in our Congress and the office of the President and thru-out his administration. A top knotch military cannot be static. It must ALWAYS be growing, and improvng, and training, etc. Appaprently, except for the ground forces, our military is simply rusting away!
And Fred, you’re right about the cavitations of the screws on those subs… UNLESS this was a brand new boat and we had no signature for it yet. But our sonar should have been able to identify a sub of THAT class in the vacinity, anyway. Who the heck knows! But somebody had damn well better find out!
Longstreet
Since the demise of the Soviet Union, there isn’t anybody to really challenge us militarily on a global scale and I think we’ve started slacking in many areas. I’ve read where the Russians are also penetrating our defenses on sea and in the air.
During the Cold War we were always looking for the “Boogie Man” and I think maybe we need to go back to that. With China building and modernizing its armed forces and Putin longing for the days of the mighty USSR, we need to get back up to speed again.
Once again I’ll say it. CHINA IS THE NUMBER ONE GOD DAMNED THREAT TO THE US AND THE REST OF THE WORLD…MAINLY US. 75% of their money currently is going directly to ARMING THEMSELVES….and hello dipshits….they are arming themsleves against US DIRECTLY! Let alone the subveting and undercutting of our economy, trade, international affairs, military etc etc on and on. We should have blown the god damned sub up! Made a big yellow puddle in the middle of the ocean for a few hours.
As for the Debate last night
McCain simply proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he is the ONLY candidate we should consider for the next President of the United States. He proved , that if you have not realized that as of yet ( and if you haven’t, well, I can’t take it anymore…yer a dipshit!) That you need to listen to him before you make up your mind. The Spitting Mayor, The Masshole Liar, Deputy Dog, Run-away Paul, proved they’re . . . well, lets stick with what we know . . . dipshits! Duncan Hunter and Huckabee secured our faith in their support for McCain, and I imagine they will outwardly endorse him shortly. BTW Huckabee is a great guy. Tancredo…well…same as always. Funny lil bastard isn’t he?
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This actually happened over six months ago, perhaps even late last year. The story you saw was just a reprisal or update.
Submarine propellers are designed nowadays to avoid cavitation at certain speeds. Detection of submarines is actually accomplished mostly by analyzing the sounds of auxiallary machinery on board such as reduction gears, pumps, generators, etc.
Are you sure somebody didn’t just order a bunch of sweet-n-sour soup and egg rolls and the Sub was just delivering’?
I’m just glad they didn’t order up a bunch of Russian Borsch.
On the other hand, since it is a new type of sub there is a possibility that they were allowed in- so as to get a better aucoustic signature?
During the cold war almost every Soviet sub was individually identified by it’s sepecific signature.
As to why it surfaced, it WAS made in China something probably broke.
When someone thinks they are being very clever and you know they aren’t going to hurt you but you don’t want them to know that you already are ahead of them (technologically) then you act ‘surprised’…