Defiant North Korea fires artillery warning shots
November 26th, 2010 . by TexasFredYEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea (AP) - A defiant flash of North Korean artillery within sight of the island that it attacked this week sent a warning signal to Seoul and Washington: The North is not backing down.
The apparent military drill Friday came as the top U.S. commander in South Korea toured Yeonpyeong island to survey the wreckage from the rain of artillery three days earlier. As a U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier headed toward the Yellow Sea for exercises next week with South Korea, the North warned that the joint maneuvers will push the Korean peninsula to the “brink of war.”
South Korea’s government, meanwhile, struggled to recoup from the surprise attacks that killed four people, including two civilians, and forced its beleaguered defense minister to resign Thursday. President Lee Myung-bak on Friday named a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the post.
Tensions have soared between the Koreas since the North’s strike Tuesday destroyed large parts of Yeonpyeong in a major escalation of their sporadic skirmishes along the disputed sea border.
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Defiant North Korea fires artillery warning shots
And then there’s this story in the headlines today.
NKorea warns region is on brink of war
YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea (AP) - North Korea warned Friday that U.S.-South Korean plans for military maneuvers put the peninsula on the brink of war, and appeared to launch its own artillery drills within sight of an island it showered with a deadly barrage this week.
The fresh artillery blasts were especially defiant because they came as the U.S. commander in South Korea, Gen. Walter Sharp, toured the South Korean island to survey damage from Tuesday’s hail of North Korean artillery fire that killed four people.
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NKorea warns region is on brink of war
These are pretty much the same story, re-edited, somewhat re-written, perhaps in an effort by the writers to keep the AP happy with an information flow. That said;
Several things about this entire scenario really bother me.
North Korea is OWNED by China. If it weren’t for China the North Koreans would be starving to death and dying in huge numbers. The North Koreans don’t make a move that the Chinese are not already aware of and are not going to back. Chinese support is paramount for North Korean survival.
So, why then, did the North attack the South this time? Let’s look at this story, it seems to be the precursor to this current run up to war; South Korean ship ‘hit by North Korean torpedo’.
Was the South Korean ship in *contested* waters? If they were, did they know they were? Did North Korea interpret the location of that ship as a threat? Did the South Koreans deliberately engage in an act of provocation? Can the *word* of either side be fully believed?
There are entirely too many questions that remain unanswered.
I will undoubtedly be called a racist for saying this, so be it. I don’t trust ANY of those people, the Chinese, North or South Koreans, Vietnamese, ANY of them.
As far back into my youth as I can remember, we were engaged in a war in Vietnam, only leaving after we were, in all truth and actuality, kicked OUT of Vietnam because our leaders in Washington didn’t have the will to fight a war as a war should be fought.
We went to war in South Korea 3 years before I was born. I am 57 years old now. You would think that in all that time, a solution could have been found. Apparently not.
Make NO mistake, the Chinese OWN the USA too. They hold more of our debt that we do. Don’t even begin to think that the Chinese bought our debt out of the goodness of their hearts. All China has to do is *call the loan* and we are in the hurt locker. They OWN us.
It would seem to me that it would be in best interest of China to control the North Koreans and their saber rattling. So far, to the best of my knowledge, China hasn’t put forth too much effort to get their North Korean neighbors under control. And folks, China never does anything that they haven’t put great thought and planning into.
There is a method to this madness that hasn’t surfaced yet, not publicly. I am told by sources that the Chinese detest Barack Hussein Obama and want desperately to see him fail. I question that thought, and then I think about this, the Chinese are Communists, Obama is a Socialist, maybe it’s an ideology thing.
I know this; the idea of going to war in Korea, with Obama as the CiC, scares me to no end.
Vietnam was a proxy war between the USA, Russia and China. It was fought in Vietnam simply because Vietnam was convenient. It stopped ALL sides from destroying the others industrial infrastructure. Today, a UNITED Vietnam is one of our better trading partners on the world market.
Could a seriously under developed North Korea be that new location of concenience?
Going to war with a president in office that isn’t a warrior, one that has NO concept of war, one that has cast great doubt regarding his true intentions, as well as his dedication to America, and is also further hindered by his own lack of understanding of world markets and business in general, is not something we need.
I don’t claim to be a financial whiz kid, my mind is geared more to situational analysis.
I have a financial adviser I speak with on a regular basis, and he tells me that his sources are telling him that if China decides to do away with Obama, they will do so by making him (Obama) appear to be the most evil, ignorant and anti-American president to ever exist. One that has all but bankrupted the American people through his own brand of mismanagement, stupidity and narcissism.
Well DUH, ya think?
It’s an old line, but one that bears repeating on a regular basis: Keep Your Powder Dry!
Correct. If Obama decided right now (After getting his mouth busted on the B/Ball court) to actually man up and do what needed to be done. I would be surprised, and SCARED to death for our troops. Not because they won’t be able to handle the situation, but because I fear the lack of resolve in our idiot in chief.
You can’t fight a war against Norks or China or Russia the same way we’ve been doing for the last 10 years. IF those gloves truly come off, this would be a very quick war in comparison to the Iraq, Afghanistan “Police actions” however; the conclusion is not foregone.
Truly if America gets involved in a war in Korea, it becomes an American war, meaning not just the military will be fighting. We all would have to be engaged, because we all would be targets. (Funny how the nation doesn’t feel the same way now even though we HAVE ALL BEEN TARGETS FOR 20 YEARS!
Oh boy, you know with having a son who’s active duty right now, these latest developments have had my mind racing. IMHO, the only thing that the Korean War proved was that the UN is worthless if you are going into a fight. They have proven to be equally useless in the War on Terror. They create too much PC garbage in the mix and we all know most of the participants are more the enemy than those we fight against.
Fred, this Poser n Chief never ran so much as a Popsicle stand, so you points about China despising him makes perfect sense. Heck, they have criticized and scolded him more than once since he took office on his lack of economic understanding! I think the NKorea debacle is part of a larger scheme.
During the late 60′s the Weather Underground was engaged in meetings in Cuba with the North Vietnamese leadership on “how to undermine and overthrow the government of the US”, in which Bernadine Dorhn… William Ayers other half, participated. The government dropped the ball on prosecuting those two and their cohorts, as they should all still be rotting in prison. Now we have billionaire traitor, Maurice Strong living in China among his allies, the Chicomms, still trying to push his Globalist / Socialist dream! The enemies of the Republic walk among us (those that work with him). I might be wrong, but so many pieces seem to fit together. I have a pdf copy of the Senate Report on the Weather Underground and their activities during the Vietnam War, and we do seem to have History repeating itself in some respects. I will provide the report to anyone who wants it. I was entrenched in reading it when I first got hold of it as it blew me away just how much I didn’t know that was going on behind the scenes.
I agree… keep your powder dry, these are dangerous times. As always, excellent post Fred.
This is really going to be one we have to keep and eye on. Our CiC ( Coward in Charge ) doesn’t know how to fight a war and probably couldn’t even have a good scorpion fight.
As far as having to pay back China….the old saying ” You can’t get blood from a turnip”….China will be SOL if they call in their loan.
I think it will be a quick war, if it starts. I think N.Korea will nuke the troops near the border and we will have no other option but to fire back with some of our own nukes. So many civilians will die because of this…and every country in the world will blame all of it on the USA….but if Obama does nothing in response…it could cause a major conflict within the USA and possibly a war within our own borders…in an effort to gets him out of office.
So Fred you are right on…everyone ‘Keep Your Powder Dry’…we’ll need it.
No matter what happens Fred there is not going to be a good side to it. If it don’t come right down to using nukes, it could still lead to ANOTHER war. We are already bankrupt from 2 wars and a third one will surely push us over the edge to where we would never recover. That would make this muslim bastard accomplish exactly what him and his handlers wanted to do from the start. I think that this will happen, but I also think that America will come together and put this bastard and his rotten administration in handcuffs where they belong. Then start rebuilding with a new president, new congress, new amendments to the constitutionm, and new visions for America, and NEVER again fall for this kind of communistic shit. Then I’ll go to my grave a happy man.
China will only put up with low level of shit from NK.
China has tasted the good life, and just look at all the new cities, skyscrapers, new individual wealth, etc.
Now look at North Korea. A putrid, starving country that will soon implode upon themselves unless someone bombs them first.
North Korea is like a sick dog to it’s owner, China.
So, if we tell China to go fark themselves regarding our non-payment of debt, just what can they do about it?
Nothing ,except stop shipping us all the products we have bought from them in the past.
The other countries in that area, like Japan, will try and be “neutral”, but if NK plays the “nuclear”card, and attacks someone,,,well, what a great place in this world to have a great big smoking hole that is super radiated for the next 250 years.
That is exactly what NK will become, a lesson in life for the world to learn from. 2000 times worse than the Russian meltdown in Chernobyl.
So, NK, you blink or you gonna do it??
Not sure what is going there either. We are definitely “poking the stick” in a dangerous animal.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/25/gordon-duff-iran-korea-nuclear-lies-orders-from-tel-aviv/
I always get interesting points from this site. So many times what seems like remote items fit so nicely.
There is no way the US and China will go to war. Check out the McDonald’s theory of peace. It is highly unlikely that two countries that both have McDonald’s will go do war. Why did the US go to war with Iraq? 1) The US was pissed at a bunch of white robe wearing, brown skinned looking arabs after 9/11. 2) The people responsible for 9/11 were mostly from Saudi Arabia. 3) Saudia Arabia has McDonalds. 4) What is the nearest country to Saudia Arabia that does not have McDonalds. 5) Iraq. Therefore we were allowed to go to war with Iraq because they don’t have McDonalds
Steve
You know I’m just about sick of hearing about how bad it would be if China and the US were to tangle, I’m sick of all the “Oh my GAWD” crap from everywhere…
You think Germany relied on that kind of “Fear” a little bit? You think the Norks are relying on it now? I suggest folks look at OUR abilities a little bit and understand the MAD theory. Mutually Assured destruction if Nukes are used, if they are NOT used I expect our advancements in military tech and tactics are every bit as good as China’s or North Korea.
The saber rattling only works when it strikes fear in the opponents heart. IF we had a true leader in our midst this issue would get raise rather than a fold in this game of poker the Chinese are playing. WE are still holding the best hand.
Bunch of pansies act like they are holding an off suited 2-4-9 and nothing on the table looks to help…At some point you have to man up and after a sub is sunk and shells are landing on your allies land, might be a good time to do so.
Rob — Germany didn’t have nukes and WE didn’t have Obama…
I agree, *man up*, but the fear in this one is not out of place… If we had gone to war in 1941 with the assholes in office that we have now, we’d ALL be speaking German…
Yep Fred, the MAD theory and it’s a “Scary” situation. However; if we are the ones always backing down from the threat of use, the power goes to those that threaten. At some point a call is going to have to be made and at what point will that be? I dont think we should nuke bejing over this incident, but bejing needs to know we are done with the threats. Someone needs to stand…
And to your second part… That’s truly the scariest part of the entire issue. Obama strikes fear in NOBODY. Obama has NO RESPECT on the world stage because he NEVER did anything. He’s never done anything but give speeches about what he will do and then hasn’t followed through on any of it. NOBODY in the worlds leadership circles believes Obama will do anything other than a “Chamberlain” and we all know what that ended with…
I’m just sick that we are where we are and the vision ahead looks worse.
Fear is a good emotion, but courage requires action in the face of fear. We have a gutless leader and an even more gutless population. Never has a country needed a leader more than we do right now. I only hope one stands up soon.
Their biggest advantage: We have Obama & they don’t.
Our biggest advantage: China holds most of our debt. They want to get repaid. NK wants to survive. The ROK is not the pushover it was in 1950. If the current ROK troops are anything like the ones I had experience with, NK would be well advised to not piss them off. And I disagree with Rob that the US population is gutless. Other than the media, the Dems, & the other usual suspects, when push comes to shove, I suspect that Americans are still pretty much the same bunch of armed patriots that’ve been kicking ass since 1776. In a real crisis, Obama would ignore this at his peril.
“Your Guide to China”
You, are the epitome, of “Stupid is as stupid does.”
Make mine a double McRib, with sweet tea and large fries.
Patrick, I assumed someone of authority would blast YourGuideToChina… Muchass grassyasses senor!