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Did Houston Police kill a federal agent after a high-speed chase?

April 30th, 2008 . by TexasFred

Did Houston Police kill a federal agent after a high-speed chase?

The man Houston police fatally shot after an hourlong chase Tuesday had shown a card identifying him as a CIA employee to officers who stopped him earlier for speeding, authorities said Wednesday.

“He (the officer) did not know what federal credentials looked like,” said Capt. Steve Jett, with Houston Police Department’s homicide division. “They look authentic, but you can do a lot of things with a computer.”

Officers shot and killed 52-year-old Roland Vincent Carnaby, saying they feared for their lives when he reached under the seat of his Jeep sport utility vehicle after the chase had ended and he’d gotten out of his car.

The shiny object that Carnaby was apparently reaching for was a personal assistant-cellular phone, Jett said Wednesday.

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Did Houston Police kill a federal agent after a high-speed chase?

The CIA told KHOU that Carnaby was not an employee of the intelligence agency.

You can pick up the phone and call the CIA, just ask them if General Michael V. Hayden is now employed in the position of Director of the CIA and they will tell you they have NO knowledge of that person, standard operating procedure.

Now I may be wrong but I would think that if I had CIA credentials I wouldn’t be too concerned with the Houston PD finding some guns and/or knives in my vehicle, if the guy really was CIA, why did he run??

Maybe the guy was an CIA operative, maybe not, who knows, the fact remains, he ran from the Houston police, there was a high speed chase and the guy was dead when it’s over…

He would have known better, and even if he didn’t want to give up his true identity and use his position to take care of the speeding thing, he could have, or, should have just taken a ticket for speeding and swept it all under the rug as only a person of his supposed position could do…

“I can’t fathom any reason why he would be running from the police because he is the police,” Platt said. “This doesn’t make any sense. I can’t understand him running or why they opened up on him. This doesn’t smell right.”

I agree, something doesn’t smell right, but this guy wasn’t ‘the police’ as the article says, the CIA is NOT a police agency, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is a civilian intelligence agency of the United States government. Its primary function is collecting and analyzing information about foreign governments, corporations, and persons in order to advise public policymakers, the CIA is many things but it is NOT a law enforcement entity.

This is going to be an interesting story as we watch it play out, that is, if it doesn’t just disappear from the face of the earth, but that’s not likely really, is it??

Links never just go *poof*, do they?? :-?

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16 Responses to “Did Houston Police kill a federal agent after a high-speed chase?”

  1. comment number 1 by: Sage

    You can pick up the phone and call the CIA, just ask them if General Michael V. Hayden is now employed in the position of Director of the CIA and they will tell you they have NO knowledge of that person, standard operating procedure…

    That is why you will never know that I was a tactical fields operation officer for the Agency…they will disavow any knowledge of my training or missions…he he. Ya got to love them.

    And you are right, it is not a police sort of agency.

    Keep us posted my friend, if you can, on the Agency’s dealings.

    ‘Nuff said

  2. comment number 2 by: WBCnTexas

    This guy is just the tip of a big iceberg. How does one confirm a person with a background with the CIA? How many people who claim that they are ex-Navy Seals or ex-CIA agents are now ahead of security for major companies, some of which are in the energy sector? If one looks in the Energy Corridor of West Houston, how many of the so called experts in the security field are just big imposters. There is one really big problem; they are not experts in a field that sends employees all over the world. There needs to be state and federal laws concerning people who claim credentials on employment that are false. It is only a matter of time, until a so called expert who never had his background checked is responsible for a major blunder causing the loss of human life.

  3. comment number 3 by: Bloviating Zeppelin

    And of course, in “theory” (nudge-nudge, wink-wink) the CIA doesn’t operate domestically. Bottom line: don’t fuck up, stupidity can’t overcome a 155-grain .40 cal Ranger round.


  4. comment number 4 by: Michael Lambert

    Citizens being small minded got this country in the state its currently in. More often than not the joke is on all of us. Carnaby was president of the Houston AFIO , whom G HW Bush sits on its board. All non essential officers where called off the chase, TV air support was warned they’d face new FAA Homeland violations if they didnt back off, FOUR HPD copters participated in the chase, he was cuffed and died with a solo 40 calibre round in his chest while waiting for ems. This is not standard procedure. Carnaby was to host Michael Sheuer , CIA Bin Laden chief , in 2 weeks at the Sheraton Galleria dinner. Dont kid yourself this wasnt normal. And apparently the plates are registered to the AFIO. Every officer on the site [7] was a decorated veteran, except one hpd swat support staff. Thanks for posting those articles,,keep your mind open.

  5. comment number 5 by: TexasFred

    Mr. Lambert, be ALL that as it may, IF he was a CIA operative or officer or whatever his title may have been, IF all that is true, WHY in the hell did he run from Houston PD??

    That is the part I am having a very hard time in understanding…

    It seems that you are apparently fairly close to this subject, can YOU answer that big WHY??

    If he was an officer then he had NO need to run, IF he was an officer he wasn’t working ‘covert’ in Houston…

    I would appreciate a viable explanation if you don’t mind…

  6. comment number 6 by: TexasFred

    And in todays Houston Chronicle:
    Man killed by HPD still an enigma despite CIA mementos

  7. comment number 7 by: Keith M

    OK on all of the comments but the question that I have is why were the police concerned that he had a concealed weapons permit. A CWP should re-assure the police that they are dealing with a citizen, not a thug. I carry a CWP and and the question has never come up in a normal traffic stop.
    What transpired that he started running after their check revealed that he had a permit?

  8. comment number 8 by: Basti

    Some years back some of the ‘Local Yokels’ raided a house because of a tip from someone of ‘suspicious activity’ there. The cops found weapons and a shit load of money. The locals were scratching their heads when some people wearing suits and dark glasses showed up from the FBI. (Or they said they were FBI and had FBI I.D.s)

    The upshot of all this was the locals were told to STFU and MTOB or things would turn ugly for them. And they did as they were told.

    IMO, the house that was raided was a ‘safe house’ for either the FBI or the Company or some covert group.

    I had some dealings with the ‘Company’ many years ago and if any of you remember Colonel Frick from MASH then you have a picture of how these cats act and talk.

    If the guy who was killed was running and either a real employee of the Company or a contractor he had a good reason for running, (Or thought he did) but we’ll never know what that reason was.

  9. comment number 9 by: Tim Mathews

    This guy was no CIA, he ripped my father off for hundreds of thousands of dollars supposedly for some kinda of VIP security business, which would never start up because he always had to go abroad on some national security matter. He would not take any pictures with us and that seemed very strange and would show up in different fancy cars, ferraris, range rovers, corvettes etc etc, funny thing is he would borrow my father’s car and was probably taking it to other suckers house conning them out of money. this guy was supposedly my father’s best friend, he would even go to my house and cook for us
    When my father died 3 years ago, he didnt even show up at the funeral or called to see what had happened, we just never heard from him again, TILL TODAY that I turned on the news. Oh well I guess I’ll never know.

  10. comment number 10 by: TexasFred

    OK Tim, since you did place a name to it, I let your comment post, now, what PROOF can you offer to these statements??

    You see, I will let this stand but you offer your words and NO citation…

  11. comment number 11 by: Tim Mathews

    i have no proof, like I said, no pics, my dad would give him money in cashiers checks or money orders. He gave my dad a CIA pin,a CIA mug thats about it.
    They were supposed to go to Lebanon on some business, that enver happened, I still have my fathers passports with the lebanon VISA that was never used.
    He is the number one reason why my father died bankrupt, took all his money from his 401 K for that supposed business that never happened, got in trouble with the IRS I guess for taking all the money out or something, and of course this guy said NO PROBLEM, I’ll FIX IT. yeah right, We just lost our house in Katy, the IRS took it away.
    So I guess I have no proof, just this story, I can tell you his dad’s name, his mom’s name, the places he frequented etc etc.

  12. comment number 12 by: TexasFred

    OK Tim, I believe you, maybe you need to take this info to the HPD or a lawyer, you may very well have legal grounds to sue the estate, hell man, I know I’d at least look into it…

    Best of luck, and sorry about your Dad, I mean that sincerely…

  13. comment number 13 by: TexasFred

    The latest from the Houston Chronicle:
    Self-proclaimed agent called FBI, HPD as he fled

    For what it’s worth, this isn’t going to be a ‘memorial site’ for Carnaby, until there is a resolution there are just too many unknowns involved…

  14. comment number 14 by: Panhandle Poet

    The Bourne Conspiracy comes to mind…..

  15. comment number 15 by: TexasFred

    Today’s post from the Houston Chronicle:
    Wife of self-proclaimed spy sues city over his death

  16. comment number 16 by: Tim Mathews

    What’s the latest news on Mr. James Bond?
    I’ve been trying to look for info but can’t find anything. Did HPD proove he was or wasn’t a fed?