Gun Violence in the USA and Germany
March 11th, 2009 . by TexasFredPolice: 10 people shot, killed in 2 Alabama towns
GENEVA, Ala. — Authorities said Wednesday the Alabama gunman who killed 10 people and himself in a killing spree fired more than 200 rounds of ammunition from two assault rifles and a handgun and had once trained as a police officer.
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Police: 10 people shot, killed in 2 Alabama towns
This is a terrible tragedy, one that didn’t have to happen and I extend my sincere sympathy to ALL involved.
The usual suspects are going off on ALL gun owners and particularly the NRA, I have read many of the comments in this story from USA Today and the idiocy of some folks is just more than I can comprehend. Many seem to feel that the USA just doesn’t have enough, or strict enough gun laws. Read on…
Police slay teen gunman who killed 15 in Germany
WINNENDEN, Germany (AP) - A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black opened fire at his former high school in southwestern Germany on Wednesday then fled in a hijacked car, killing at least 15 people before police shot him to death, state officials said.
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Police slay teen gunman who killed 15 in Germany
A firearms ownership license (Waffenbesitzkarte) must be obtained before a weapon can be purchased. Owners of multiple firearms need separate ownership licenses for every single firearm they own. It entitles owners to purchase firearms and handle them on their own property and any private property with property owner consent. On public premises, a licensed firearm must be transported unloaded and in a stable, fully enclosing, locked container. A weapons ownership license does not entitle the owner to shoot the weapon or carry it on public premises without the prescribed container. Firearms ownership licenses are valid three years or less, and owners must obtain mandatory insurance and a means to securely store the weapon on their premises (a weapons locker.) Blanket ownership licenses are sometimes issued to arms dealers.
A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued:
- age of consent (18 years for rimfire arms/21 years higher calibers) (§ 4 WaffG)
- trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG)
- personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG)
- expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG) and
- necessity (§ 8 WaffG) (Necessity is automatically assumed present for licensed hunters and owners of a carry permits (Waffenschein)).
Source: Gun politics in Germany
Obviously strict German gun laws and the NRA didn’t cause this one! If GUN LAWS were the answer then this tragedy would NOT have happened in Germany. Look at the requirements. The gunman was 17, the minimum age for gun possession is 18, and that is for a rimfire weapon, most likely a .22 caliber.
The anti-gun people will say, “If there were NO guns”, well, they are wrong. For one thing, there will always be guns, there is NO WAY that any government can confiscate ALL guns, it can’t happen. Gun violence is not committed by legal, sane and responsible gun owners but the left and anti-gun cabal will use these isolated incidents to further their cause.
And if their dream of a gun free world were to come to fruition, there’s always bows and arrows, swords, knives, ball bats, hammers, steel pipe, rocks, any number of implements that can cause great physical harm and/or death. And for what it’s worth, MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of legal and responsible American gun owners killed NO ONE…
I’m beginning to side with the conspiracy buffs. In that I’ve come to believe that governments are some how mind controlling the duller pencils in the pack into committing these acts so that the ‘gun control agenda’ if kept in the forefront.
Don’t laugh the CIA was doing mind control experiments with LSD and that’s a fact. This was during the 1940′s through the 1970′s and it worked to some degree. If they could do that then what can they do now with the advances in technology?
He who trusts any government will soon be enslaved by that government.
Doesn’t take much to set the Anti-Gun Nuts off….with friends in the White House and Congress they now have multiple ears to whisper into.
The biggest danger to law abiding gun owners is the law they follow(IMO)..that being Gun Registration. When Obama and his henchman in the ATF come after guns, they will come after those having registered weapons first. That’s why I purchase from private dealers at gun shows.
Well, like I posted in my article yesterday, I have become convinced that the Federal government should now be labeled as a domestic enemy to the Constitution of the United States and a clear and present danger the States there in and her citizens.
This Blair Holts bill is a DANGEROUS piece of legislation and an absolute unconstitutional assault on our Second Amendment rights. If they manage to find enough spineless Republicans to get this thing passed into law, it will split this country in two. Do you sincerely think that 80 million gun owners are going to willing register all their weapons, submit to mental and physical examination and be told that to simply OWN a weapon they must seek permission and approval from their government.
Hell, no.
I’ll bet it’s these same Americans selling the guns to Germany that are selling the guns to the mexican drug cartels ? That’s what we can probably expect to hear from the scumbag anti gun nutso’s anyway. They aren’t nothing more than a bunch of hand wringing pussies that want the ATF to do their shitwork. WHO VOTES FOR THESE ASSHOLES?? It’s time for the Patriots to come together,work to get the word out, and vote their asses out of office FOREVER!!!
Fred,
I am starting to think that this is phase two of the bought and paid for election. As I have noted on the “blogs” before Why is it you NEVER see a “leading” story about where your neighbor stopped a felon in his tracks without shooting a single bullet? I know for a fact that it happens every day. But unfortunately it also makes for boring news. The MORONS running the main stram news know exactly what they are doing, Especially when you keep hearing (reading) the same MISUSED words over and over, Like Sprayed Bullets, Automatic Rifle, Automatic Pistol (Hey I want one of those!) and the king of misnomers Assault Weapon. And as an aside, When are you going to post the photgraphs you asked for?
I got a total of 4 pics…
And the asshole never came back anyway..
As to assault weapons, I have said MANY times, in the RIGHT hands a single shot .22 is an assault rifle…
I believe the news media plays a big part in these killings. Whenever something like this happens, the news media has 24/7 coverage on it and especially on the shooter.
The shooter instantly becomes a “celebrity”, although in a bad way, his name will be remember for decades. Someone with a few bricks shy of a full load may look at this as his way to fame. After all, if he just kills himself in his basement, except for his immediate family, nobody will care or know about him.
But, if he takes out innocent people in a restaurant, school, factory, etc, people will know all about him and remember him. Remember, these people are deranged and their thinking isn’t right.
If all we heard on the news was “Psychopath kills innocent people” and nothing more, then this crap will stop. A sicko wants notoriety and without it, they’ll just go hand themselves in their basements.
They seek fame, they become infamous…
Fred, I will have to disagree here, A single shot .22 may in the right hands be an offensive weapon, but an assault rifle it will never be. The “assault weapon” in reality is a select fire clip fed short barreled arm usually in a smaller caliber (Pistol caliber, small rifle caliber) the big problem I have with the MSM is they will call every rifle used an assault rifle from a 10/22 to the AR-10 and sometimes beyond. in reality these are (and you can use this if you wish) “Military pattern” SEMI AUTO rifles, Not assault weapons, Not weapons of war, Just a hunk of steel and usually plastic that someone finds offensive. Joe Biden (remember him?) said when drafting the original (Failed) “assault weapons” ban they went through a catalogue and looked for the guns that “looked bad” and picked them. Most proponents of the “assault weapons” ban actually have no idea what the functions of the items they are trying to ban are for. And you can use the picture if you wish I kinda liked the way it came out, I also have been using it on facebook and some other sites. Also we need to knuckle down on a time for the Million Shots timing (I have a few caps that need some poppin’)
Michael B.
“Washington Armory”
I think the idea is going to be more once a month now, maybe, maybe not, so far we have several people joining, very few are offering ANY input, but there are some that have blasted us with serious criticism…
All things in time…
And yeah, I *know* what an assault weapon really is, the moonbats have NO idea, but again, in the right hands, a slingshot *can* be an assault weapon, it’s ALL about definitions… And whether you’re doing the shooting or being shot at!!
Been there too..
My question is what is wrong with a law abiding citizen owning an assault weapon, even a Class 3? Why should I not be able to own a P-90, M16, MP5, M248 SAW or any other fully automatic assault rifle, SMG or LMG that I want to own?
I am a proficient marksman and I think most of you familiar with weapons will agree with this. If I have a single fire AR-15 and a military issue M16, I will be far more deadly with the AR-15, a weapon with which I cannot ‘spray and pray’ but must carefully aim each individual shot. I do not know how many of you have ever fired a fully automatic or even three round burst weapons, but let me tell you automatic fire is used for suppression. Single aimed shots are used to kill. In my opinion, the AR-15 is more dangerous than the M16 since it is far easier to control the placement of each shot out of the clip.
Ask most soldiers, full auto is fun and essential for suppression, but not as accurate or effective as controlled shots. Unless of course you have a line of targets rushing at you willing to let you mow them down.
My heart goes out to the victims in these crimes. This type of wanton violence happens and it gives great ammo for the ban all guns crowd. The fact is that yesterday and today millions of gun owners didn’t kill anyone.
I wonder how many people were killed by criminals with illegal weapons yesterday? Probably a lot more than were killed in these 2 tragedies.
Weapons will always exist on every level, and Man will ALWAYS find a way to kill his fellow Man. Period. And on down the food and weapon chain. Eventually you’d have to outlaw Man which, after all, just might be the Enviros goal — themselves exempted, of course.
BZ
I can’t remember the exact quote, but the late Col. Cooper once said words to the effect that someone with a semi-auto is a more dangerous adversary than someone with a fully auto weapon.
We all know anti-gunners on a personal level, friends and family, co-workers, and neighbors.
And there may even be some of them capable of rational thought.
Next time you are talking to a neighbor you know to be anti-gun, try asking this question:
“Hey Joe, just as a “what if” question. If in the middle of the night tonight someone tries kicking in your front door, who do you think could get to you with help first, me or the police?”
Might be a lost cause, but maybe if we can start to shine the light of reality on more people, perhaps we can turn this thing around.
My well trained side says, “I HATE FULL AUTO LOADERS*
My little*l* libertarians side says, *I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU CARRY*
My true belief is this, NO ONE needs to own full auto-loaders, they are weapons of war, but we ALL know that they are out there and there’s not a damn thing that Obama, Holder or ANY of the gun grabbers can do about it.
The drug cartels will always have them, gangsters will always have them, they get em at Texas gun shows you know, along with Claymores, C-4, grenades and the like, all of us Texans are just loaded up with illegal munitions ya know…
I have friends that own full auto-loaders, I get invited to their outings to shoot, I WILL NOT GO, it’s just me, my personal belief, but I won’t be around them, full auto-loaders are for WAR, not sport shooting and I do not buy into the AK-47′s are great deer rifles bullshit…
I may be mistaken but I believe the US Military now limits it’s M-16′s to 3 round bursts. The ones I shot when I was active duty were limited to 3 round bursts…I did qualify marksman. The reasoning for this was what happened in Vietnam when GI’s carried full auto weapons.
According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000. The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That’s a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armytrng/a/sniperschool.htm
In WWII, the overwhelming vast majority of GI’s carried the semi-auto M1 Grand and Carbine where marksmanship was needed to kill the enemy.
Exactly right Bob… M-4′s are a 3 shot burst…
Spray and pray is a waste of time and ammo…