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The TEA Party as a Third Party?

October 4th, 2010 . by TexasFred

The TEA Party as a Third Party?

In the immortal words of Kinky Friedman; “Why the hell not?”

Lately a lot of people are talking about the TEA Party, it’s potential to affect changes in the 2010 elections, and more specifically, in the 2012 elections. Also a HOT BOTTON TOPIC is the question of whether the TEA Party may or could possibly become a viable Third Party.

The very issue of a Third Party stirs the emotions of Americans, of all political tilts.

There are some good points made in the blockquote below by Thomas Friedman, but be warned, Friedman appears to be an Obama fan. Read the next paragraphs with an open mind and try to put his obvious Obama favoritism aside.

There is a revolution brewing in the country, and it is not just on the right wing but in the radical center. I know of at least two serious groups, one on the East Coast and one on the West Coast, developing “third parties�? to challenge our stagnating two-party duopoly that has been presiding over our nation’s steady incremental decline.
Obama probably did the best he could do, and that’s the point. The best our current two parties can produce today — in the wake of the worst existential crisis in our economy and environment in a century — is suboptimal, even when one party had a huge majority. Suboptimal is O.K. for ordinary times, but these are not ordinary times. We need to stop waiting for Superman and start building a superconsensus to do the superhard stuff we must do now. Pretty good is not even close to good enough today.
“We basically have two bankrupt parties bankrupting the country,�? said the Stanford University political scientist Larry Diamond. Indeed, our two-party system is ossified; it lacks integrity and creativity and any sense of courage or high-aspiration in confronting our problems.
“If competition is good for our economy,�? asks Diamond, “why isn’t it good for our politics?�?

We need a third party on the stage of the next presidential debate to look Americans in the eye and say: “These two parties are lying to you. They can’t tell you the truth because they are each trapped in decades of special interests. I am not going to tell you what you want to hear. I am going to tell you what you need to hear if we want to be the world’s leaders, not the new Romans.�?

I know the immediate response that some will have regarding a Third Party, we’ve heard it for a long time, “A third party only splits the vote…” And my response is, “Yeah…so?”

Assuming such a candidate truly exists, what does a Third Party accomplish if they can find and run a candidate of outstanding character, impeccable background, solid education, with experience and unquestionable moral and social standing?

That would be a winning candidate and the 2 major parties would be standing on the sidelines shaking their heads and wondering what just happened.

I have to wonder if the TEA Party, in it’s grass roots mode, could actually muster such a well rounded candidate. Grass roots is a wonderful place to start, but it will only take you so far in the big picture part of the equation.

This is from Libertarian Lew Rockwell, and speaking for myself, clearly defines exactly why I can’t, and won’t wear the title of Libertarian.

You might as well know right now, however, that the Tea Party, no matter how successful it is at the polls in November, will certainly betray the party of liberty. There are several reasons for this, but the fundamental one is intellectual. The Tea Party does not have a coherent view of liberty. Its activists tend to be good on specific economic issues like taxes, spending, stimulus, and healthcare. They worry about government intervention in these areas and can talk a good game.

But just as with old-time conservatives, there are many issues on which the Tea Party tends toward inconsistency. The military and the issue of war is a major one. Many have bought into the line that the greatest threat this country faces domestically is the influx of adherents of Islam; in international politics, they tend to favor belligerence toward any regime that is not a captive of US political control.

On immigration, the Tea Party ethos favors national IDs and draconian impositions on businesses rather than market solutions like cutting welfare. On social and cultural issues, they can be as confused as the Christian Right, believing that it is the job of government to right all wrongs and punish sin.

This doesn’t describe them all. A poll taken last spring divides the activists into two camps: Palin and Paul. Both groups are mad as heck at the mainstream Republican Party, but only the Paul camp has broadened that anger to the government generally. SOURCE

When Rockwell says “the Tea Party, no matter how successful it is at the polls in November, will certainly betray the party of liberty”, the party of liberty is the Libertarians.

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Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

April 4th, 2009 . by TexasFred
Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich warns that conservatives could leave the GOP and form a third party in 2012 if Republicans don’t do more to rein in government spending.

“If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012, Gingrich said during an address to students at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri.

Gingrich attacked President Barack Obama’s “monstrosity of a budget,�? but acknowledged that Republicans are also to blame for the huge increase in federal spending, CNN reported.

“Remember, everything Obama’s doing, Bush started last year,�? he said.

Full Story Here:
Gingrich Warns of Conservative 3rd Party in 2012

I was trying to get this going well over a year ago. I was told it wouldn’t work, I was told it would divide the Republican Party. Well folks, that’s the intent, either form a REAL and Conservative 3rd party or force the RNC to reinvent themselves as one. I tried my very best to get this Conservative 3rd party thing rolling way before the last election. I guess since my name isn’t Newt, no one was going to listen to me, I mean, what the hell do I know, I’m just a Domestic Terrorist Blogger and I have never called a shot 3 or 4 years down the road. :twisted:

Patrick Sperry over at Conservative Libertarian Outpost can site a number of instances where I have tried to get some political project going, or start a movement that I was told would surely fail, or was told that I had NO idea of what I was talking about, and in 1 particular instance I was told that I was crazy when I told folks that a certain U.S. Senator would retire from the Senate to come home and run for Governor. That was at least 6 years ago on a politics forum that Patrick and I used to frequent, and that Senator was Kay Bailey Hutchison. She is coming home to run for Governor in the next election.

This line got me here more than any in the entire story:

“Remember, everything Obama’s doing, Bush started last year,�? he said.

“If you’re going to talk about big spending, the mistakes of the Bush administration last year are fully as bad as the mistakes of Obama’s first two, three months.�?

Newt isn’t going to win any Bush Bot votes with that line, but it’s as true as anything that can be said. Bush may not be fully responsible for the shape that this nation is in, but it DID happen under his watch, all Obama and the Dems are doing is taking the Bush bailouts a lot further down the road. That would be the highway to hell I believe.

I have said it many times, the Republicans can’t get elected to the position of Dog Catcher if the Conservatives of this nation don’t support them, and I have seen NOTHING coming from the RNC to convince me that we need to support them. The RNC has done, and is doing, nothing different than they did under the last administration, other than making Michael ‘Yes, I am a RINO’ Steele their leader. That’s the only thing to change to date, and in my opinion, it can’t truly be viewed as a positive move. Steele bears more resemblance to a RINO than a fiscally conservative Republican.

Gingrich predicted that “fed up�? Americans will instigate a “nationwide rebellion at the polls,�? and said the increased government spending under Obama is “literally irrational.�?

I have never been a huge Newt fan, but I have to say, his warning is right on the money, and if the RNC can’t get it done, then it’s time for a real, viable and electable 3rd party to emerge, and it might as well be a Conservative Party.

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